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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2005 at 12:04

Just as there were conditions that led to Progs ascension and growth the reversal of those conditions contributed to its decline.  Many record companies signing many bands that allowed the artist much more freedom in the creative process. The birth of FM radio in a free flow format that played a variety of styles of music and did not concern itself with song length was a huge contributor to progs growth.

 

 When record companies consolidated they took back much greater power over the creative process.  Progressive bands were rarely signed after 1972 in the UK and 1975 in US even though many existed.  Radio formats constricted in to tight formats playing specific genres of music and long songs were cut out of the mix. Radio companies had to toe the line in order to get artists on the air so bands were pushed into these restrictive formats.

 

Punk really never received airplay and after a couple of years pretty much had died out itself. I don't think it had really done that much harm to prog by itself. I think that the writers that persecuted the big acts and praised punk really had very little to do with it also.  I don’t know too many people going around quoting Lester Bangs from Creem about anything except to say what an ass he was.

 

 That left groups like Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers and the Police to fill the void.  What we have here is the return to 3-4 minute simple radio friendly songs with light production. Prog bands had a hard time doing that and one by one were left behind or disbanded. 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2005 at 12:20
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by sigod sigod wrote:

What a good thread.

Lots of interesting points raised here. It's ironic that punk began as a cottage industry with the groups forming their own labels, arranging tours with other bands, printing their own literature & magazines and promoting their activities through underground sources while the prog bands were the darlings of the major labels. It's funny how the roles were gradually swapped as the70's,  80's and 90's progressed.

I for one have no problem with this as the majority of prog fans (barring the genre Nazis who seem intent on defining every last beat and keeping each band in it's pigeon hole) seem to be happy and enthusiastic individuals who are driven by an innate love for their music.

For me, this is a golden time for Prog.


Hi sigod!

Good to have you back.

When I was at school, I knew this guy who was an avid listener of the John Peel show. I listened in maybe once a week - usually for laugh - although he did play some interesting stuff. Anyway, this guy used to tape everything he thought was utter sh!t on first listen. He thought this stuff often turned out to be the best. I question his approach to this day, but my point is, we used to take the steaming p!ss out of him for liking so much obscure rubbish..

These days I find myself frequently having to explain myself regarding Glass Hammer, Spocks Beard, Echolyn etc etc... No one has a clue. Your right! The tables have turned. Prog is now underground and 'home grown'. As much as well like to see our favourite artists be sucessful, you could say it tastes sweeter this way..

 

I would say prog was always underground in Britain in the seventies, despite good album sales. The reason is this. In the seventies the single was king! And most people, of my age anyway(schoolkids) were mainly into chart stuff.

When I discovered, not just prog, but Purple and Zeppelin, most of my peers new nothing of it! There were exceptions of course, this made up your "gang".

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2005 at 12:22

Prog is not dead!!!

It's just that prog music style is not easy to comercialise as punk, pop rock, etc. It's been a time where prog was more known from the great public (70's) but now it's more difficult to popularise someting very artistic like prog music. But, as we see on that site, there's a lot of newcomers in prog and they are generally young. So, by seeing that, I think there always be people to like prog, even in the far future because prog is CLASSIC and differents mode die but not classic things!!!    

From someone who believe that prog will cross the years like classic composers (Bach, Beethoven, etc.) as done.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2005 at 12:35
Captain Sensible (The Damned) once said ''You could only be in band if you were geniuses like Emerson Lake and Palmer''.The whole point of punk was to dumb down music because it then meant that any a-hole with half a brain could be a musician.Music critics were quite happy to collude in all this because they were'nt qualified to review albums by ELP,Yes and Genesis. Reviewing crap like the Sex Pistols is a damn sight easier!However the biggest joke is that some good bands came through at that time like Siouxsie and The Banshees,The Damned and The Stranglers. Far from being bad musicians they were actually very good,... ironically.But the music critics wer happy to keep on bashing ELP,Yes etc as it suited their aims.I hate music critics not punk bands.It took music 10-15 years to recover from such self serving idiots.The other great irony that is often overlooked is that punk could only have happened in a prog inspired music scene that was open to new things.Punk was a new thing so people wanted to give it some chance and as I mentioned there were some good bands.However after punk the attitudes towards music became very close minded.It was almost as if Punk came in and then locked the door behind it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2005 at 13:38
Steven Wilson once said that technology is giving prog the power to make a comeback.  In the 70's, it cost tons of money to make an album, so it was really necessary to have label backing.  Now, computers have made it possible to record an album for 500 bucks in your basement.  This and  Internet distribution should really make it possible for good music to flourish without record label support.  Record labels are always really slow to adapt to changing technology anyway; look at how they're still fighting file-sharing services, thinking they can actually make them go away.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2005 at 14:28

Punk was basically about short songs released on 7" singles, and a back to basics 3 chord rock and roll approach to music.

Prog was basically about albums, and about incorporating elements of classical, jazz and world music into the vocabulary of rock.

Although there was little love lost between punk and prog, they were never really in competition. Punk was more a reaction against the the way bands like the Stones, Who, Faces etc had become more distant from their audiences, or against the blandness of acts like Fleetwood Mac.

I don't think the big prog bands were 'killed' by punk - ELP had overplayed their hand with a financially ruinous tour of the states with an orchestra, Yes imploded as they generally do every couple of years while Genesis went from strength to strength commercially during the height of punk and new wave. Pink Floyd scored their biggest hit with the Wall about 3 years after punk allegedly killed the dinosaurs. The bands who really suffered were the Canterbury bands and other less commercial acts who had survived via the festival and University circuit for several years. Punk bands were smaller, cheaper and attracted a crowd more likely to spend money at the bar than with the dealer in the corner, just as in the early 60s beat groups gradually took over jazz venues (the Beatles, Stones and Who all got their start at venues more accustomed to trad jazz). Ironic, given that the likes of John Lydon and Captain Sensible admitted to liking bands like Henry Cow and Soft Machine.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2005 at 21:04
PROG FOUND DEAD!!!!

As reported by C in C out //

Today the underground rap artist PROG was found
in the remains of an abandon hotel casino in Monte
Carlo appearing to look more like a burnt apple crisp
than what his fans remember him as. It appears he
was murdered back before the casino was burnt up
in a fire in the mid 90s and his remains were
excavated from a local waste dump facility.

It appears that this is one of the undiscovered
homicides that circled the globe back in the mid 90s.
Along with the murders of the British Rock and
Southern Rock brothers this appears to be the work
of the international intelligence's most wanted villian,
you guessed it THE RECORD COMPANIES!!!
Who as a whole seem to be apart of the international
conspiracy group that wishes to make morons out of
the masses. PROG was believed to be murdered for
leaking to many secrets.

PROGs followers are all mourning after what they
feared was validated today. Many followers of PROG
wil continue to search for the memories of what
PROG represented to them. Indeed PROG continues
to live in the hearts of many as sells of PROGs
teachings continue to spread.

Is it possible to raise PROG from the dead? Of
course not but many will search for new ways to find
that little PROG in everyone. But as long as that
notorius villian THE RECORD COMPANIES
continues is hostile reign free thinkers will be
corraled and neutered.

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Turn and run!
Nothing can stop them,
Around every river and canal their power is growing.
Stamp them out!
We must destroy them,
They infiltrate each city with their thick dark warning
odour.

They are invincible,
They seem immune to all our herbicidal battering.
                                                                               
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