The next neil peart

Shack Man wrote: being overrated is not an opinion, neil peart lived up to his glory, and you can't just say he is overrated because you prefer other drummers.

how is it not an opinion "i think neil peart is overrated"
it isnt a fact is it? or can you somehow answer that question for me...

DallasBryan wrote: Neil adds up to a pimple on the PROGRESSIVE BUTT of Billy Cobham, Phil Collins, Furio Cherico, Jaki Liebezeit, Carl Palmer, Airto Moreira and Michael Shrieve - SOME GREAT PROGRESSIVE PERCUSSIONISTS!

I wouldn't really call Michael Shrieve progressive, although he's an incredible drummer.

I'll have to see if I can download some Peart videos. Maybe then I'll see what this is all about...

I think Peart is kinda overrated, I am a drummer myself and the solo to YYZ isn't that amazing, it's good, but Peart is blown up into God-like proportion becasue of it.  I mean, seriously most of his ability comes with the fact that he has a huge set.  All he has to do is do a standard roll 4 miles long from one side of his set on the 2" tom and end it on the other side on his  60" inch floor tom, and there ya' go the classic peart sound.

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DarHobo wrote: I think Peart is overrated, I am a drummer myself and the solo to YYZ isn't that amazing, its average.  I mean, seriously most of his ability comes with the fact that he has a huge set.  All he has to do is do a standard roll 4 miles long from one side of his set on the 2" tom and end it on the other side on his  60" inch floor tom, and there ya' go the classic peart sound.

I disagree. He is pretty damn skilled to play such a large set well. Though he doesn't use cymbals as much as the more skilled jazz drummers do he has more drum pieces than they do and makes good use of them. He is an incredible rock drummer.

When was the last time Peart used the "4 miles long" roll?  It's been decades, hasn't it?

I don't think any drummer out there is the "next" Neil Peart because the Professor is in a class by himself.A few drummers besides Neil that I admire are Dennis Chambers(very underrated,I never see his name mentioned that much in drum topics),Mike Portnoy and Danny Carey.

TheProgtologist wrote: Some other drummers also deserving a mention: Christian Vander-Magma Martin Lopez-Opeth Paul Cook-IQ Jason Rullo-Symphony X Nick D'Virgilio-Spock's Beard Billy Cobham-Mahavishnu Orchestra and Miles Davis Besides Vander I never see anyone giving these excellent drummers their props.

 

Yes, they are all good drummers but its true they never get mentioned.

DarHobo wrote: floydaholic wrote: DarHobo wrote: I think Peart is overrated, I am a drummer myself and the solo to YYZ isn't that amazing, its average.  I mean, seriously most of his ability comes with the fact that he has a huge set.  All he has to do is do a standard roll 4 miles long from one side of his set on the 2" tom and end it on the other side on his  60" inch floor tom, and there ya' go the classic peart sound. I disagree. He is pretty damn skilled to play such a large set well. Though he doesn't use cymbals as much as the more skilled jazz drummers do he has more drum pieces than they do and makes good use of them. He is an incredible rock drummer.   Yes he is a great drummer, but with the set thing, I know this guy who truely sucks at drums but now he has about a 10 piece and because of the huge set can sound decent.  Becasue more is there, there is more to roll on.  He can now just hit each tom in a 2 stroke succession from high to low and make a decent sounding roll because there is so much, but if he was on a standard 5-piece, thats another story.

Peart makes great use of his set though. PErhaps not as great in studio performacnes but in his live stuff he uses a many different patterns and even this cool little xylophone type thing. I doubt your friend is as innovative as peart who has even been known to include hints of jazz in his playing with traditional style play at times and using Steve Gadds drum fill. No one else that i know of is capable of such skill with a large set(Besides Bozzio who is unbelievably skilled).

Zoltan Csorz ex Flower Kings

Portnoy is too much like a drum machine and a tad one dimensional.The more I listen to him the less impressed I am.Zoltan can create very good 'feel' in his playing but also cut loose if needed.Peart's strength is his dexterity.He has the technical skills and good 'feel' so Zoltan is the nearest thing to a new Neil Peart.Danny Carey is also a very fine drummer,not far behind Csorz.

Peart is good, but he's very-much overrated.  His problem is that once he lays down his drum tracks on the albums, he just duplicates/copies them live, with little or no improvisation.  That's a very stale, lame, and limiting approach to take for any musician.  Just kind of like going through the motions in robot form.

Now, we should point out that he is a very well-read person, very intelligent, and has great writing skills.  The large role he has in writing lyrics and books, is a big plus not only for drummers, but any musicians.

Back to the original question, there are many drummers out there at the same level and higher than Peart.  Familiar names like Bill Bruford, Terry Bozzio, Pat Mastelloto, Phil Collins, Narada Michael Walden, to name a few.  Than there are younger, less-known drummers that deserve note (though none come to mind at the moment).