Worst prog band?

But you make my point, there are millions of artists that were far more popular than classic Genesis, thousannds that reacghed N° 1 in one or more charts, but today most of the are forgotten, but stores keep selling albums from an unpopular andobscure band like Genesis after 30 years, this means something.

Iván

Manunkind wrote: NetsNJFan wrote: Manunkind wrote: NetsNJFan wrote: Symphonic is more popular than RIO mainly cause RIO isn't music really, it's dischordant cacophonous noise, and most sensible people prefer music. How are the Nets doing, BTW? I'm sure their respective golf games are going very well, thank you. jackass. Yep, that's me all right. No offence intended, only to point out in how few spots our opinions on music converge.

but we all love prog anyway, and that's what matter's
what ridiculously broad genre as opposed to say 'country'

NetsNJFan wrote: Manunkind wrote: NetsNJFan wrote: Symphonic is more popular than RIO mainly cause RIO isn't music really, it's dischordant cacophonous noise, and most sensible people prefer music. How are the Nets doing, BTW? I'm sure their respective golf games are going very well, thank you. jackass.

Yep, that's me all right. No offence intended, only to point out in how few spots our opinions on music converge.

NetsNJFan wrote: Symphonic is more popular than RIO mainly cause RIO isn't music really, it's dischordant cacophonous noise, and most sensible people prefer music.

How are the Nets doing, BTW?

Manunkind wrote:

Unfortunately the fact that a band is remembered longer doesn't say anything about its quality, only perhaps about the marketing that has gone into promoting it.

What marketing are you talking about?

1. Genesis had to live in Italy because nobody liked them in UK.
2. Almost 50% of the Lamb Tour concerts were cancelled due to lack of interest even when everybody knew it was Gabriel's farewell.
3. Most of the Gabriel era Genesis albums are poorly recorded and produced,

Despite the worst marketing I ever saw today there are hundreeds of web sites talking about them, and Genesis has becomed on of the main bands and influences in Progressive Rock, this means something.

Let's get one thing clear first - I'm not supporting the claim that Genesis is the worst prog band ever. 

Okay, you're definitely more knowledgeable about Genesis' history than I am. Still, I don't think that changes much. I don't think you could say the same about Pink Floyd, Yes or ELP, for instance. And all these people who are prog Genesis fans must have learnt about them somehow. There must be a reason why the younger forum members have at least heard of Genesis and are not really familiar with Anthony Phillips' solo stuff, which is just as numeorus (if not more) and, according to Progarchives reviews, nearly as good. There must be a reason why I can find classic Genesis albums in the larger stores here and struggle to find Anthony Phillips or PFM, for example. So I think marketing, however belated (and probably associated with Phil Collins) must have played a part here. And even when it's just pure perseverance that makes an artist record, say, 5+ great albums, it doesn't mean that the work of an artist who only managed one album and then drowned in obscurity is crap.  

Genesis easy listening? Please, still after 30 years nobody fully understands, Do you believe The Musical Box, The Knife, Supper's Ready are accessible?

Sorry for being imprecise... I was comparing Genesis with Fantomas. Genesis is the easier of the two to listen to, and hence has a potentially larger market and therefore a better chance of being remembered.

And it's obvious that a more accessible artist will almost always remain in social consciousness longer than a less accessible one

Are you sure, Where are all the boys/girls bands that sold millions, where are The Spice Girls who were N° 1 in Great Britain? Who buys Michael Jackson's albums once called "The King of Pop" (Except as souvenirs in the door of the court)?

Actually Tuxon remembers the Spice Girls (sorry Tuxon)

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5743&a mp;a mp;KW=Tuxon

and they're going to be remembered by many people I think, even if as a household joke, but remembered they are going to be. The same goes for Michael Jackson  (not to mention that he still has a surprisingly large number of fans). 

ABBA is still remembered and popular; so is Roxette (in the Scandinavian countries at least).

 Fantomas is a good band but nothing else, they have a low profile and probably will never reach the heights of the dinosaurs of Prog' Rock because they don't have enough quality or a defined style.

I don't know whether they don't have enough quality or a defined style - what I do know is that they are going to attract a small number of fans that are going to remember them for a long time; that number is never going to be large enough for the band's name to infiltrate the consiousness of a larger group, but for some it's going to remain a name spoken with reverence for years to come. 

Just like Genesis, only on a smaller scale. And, as you pointed out yourself presenting the Spice Girls and Michael Jackson as an example, the numbers don't matter. 

Please!!!!!!!!

Iván

Manunkind wrote: Unfortunately the fact that a band is remembered longer doesn't say anything about its quality, only perhaps about the marketing that has gone into promoting it. Proof? Bands like Bubu, Indian Summer, Raw Material, Khan or Catapilla who were just as talented as the Big Five but were simply out of luck. Same goes for all walks of art, IMO - how many people remember such classics of literature as William Gaddis' 'The Recognitions' or Samuel Beckett's novels? And it's obvious that a more accessible artist will almost always remain in social consciousness longer than a less accessible one, if only because it can enter this consciousness faster and on a larger scale. Of course thousands of acts light up and fail every year, but there are very interesting acts that only light up in very small circles.

I don't disagree with all that you've said, but I don't believe that many of the great prog bands who's names have carried thru the years.. are any more accessible than the ones you've mentioned.  Bands like Gentle Giant, Camel, or VDGG have never been considered very accessible bands, but they're names still carry some weight.