Worst prog band?

Miaugion wrote: Almost anything with Clive Nolan in it, e.g. Shadowland, Casino, Arena as well as any band that tries to sound like Arena.

That is what is wrong with threads like this. One man's nectar is another man's poison. I happen to like Arena and Clive Nolan very much and when I read posts like this, it puts me off a bit.

Miaugion...you are entitled to like whoever and dislike wehoever you want. I am not bitching about your post as I am more bitching about this thread.

No good can come from a negative thread such as this.

Tony R wrote: Guess: The cheesiest prog group with the cheesiest album covers and the cheesiest fans...

And this coming from the cheesiest member of this board....

But thanks for posting it... looking at Greg's chest always makes me all warm inside...

threefates wrote: Tony R wrote: Guess: The cheesiest prog group with the cheesiest album covers and the cheesiest fans... And this coming from the cheesiest member of this board....

You've not had much cheese-if you think that I'm the cheesiest!

I bet cheese makes you dream....

Tony R wrote: gdub411 wrote: Miaugion wrote: Almost anything with Clive Nolan in it, e.g. Shadowland, Casino, Arena as well as any band that tries to sound like Arena. That is what is wrong with threads like this. One man's nectar is another man's poison. I happen to like Arena and Clive Nolan very much and when I read posts like this, it puts me off a bit. Miaugion...you are entitled to like whoever and dislike wehoever you want. I am not bitching about your post as I am more bitching about this thread. No good can come from a negative thread such as this. Well,quit bitchin' then!!! And stop being negative about other people being negative-that's soooo negative!

I thought this thread was supposed to be about bands that were trying so hard to be progressive that they came off as cheesy...i.e...like a Spinal Tap. Instead it degenerated into  blasting legitimate bands such as Arena. Now, all I see is a bunch of bickering.

Tony R...you insufferable @#$!.( I saw Shaun of the Dead...I laughed my ass off on that stupid thing. Loved it!!)

It's funny to see some prog metal fans criticizing Yes, Genesis or even the Italian Symphonic bands and then saying Prog metal is great.

Without British and Italian Symphonic bands, Prog' Metal wouldn't exist or at the most would be just some more obscure metal bands unknown by most of the world.

Some guys like Fantomas try to provoke reactions calling the great bands cheesy, but they don't achieve their goal because such absurd comment can't provoke anything but laugh.

The band Fantomas is good (A bit too loud though), I can't deny this fact, but ithey are only an obscure subterranean group than in 2 or 3 years will be forgotten forever, while people keep talking about Yes, Genesis or PFM 30 + years.

Iván

ivan_2068 wrote: It's funny to see some prog metal fans criticizing Yes, Genesis or even the Italian Symphonic bands and then saying Prog metal is great. Without British and Italian Symphonic bands, Prog' Metal wouldn't exist or at the most would be just some more obscure metal bands unknown by most of the world. Some guys like Fantomas try to provoke reactions calling the great bands cheesy, but they don't achieve their goal because such absurd comment can't provoke anything but laugh. The band Fantomas is good (A bit too loud though), I can't deny this fact, but ithey are only an obscure subterranean group than in 2 or 3 years will be forgotten forever, while people keep talking about Yes, Genesis or PFM 30 + years. Iván

Unfortunately the fact that a band is remembered longer doesn't say anything about its quality, only perhaps about the marketing that has gone into promoting it. Proof? Bands like Bubu, Indian Summer, Raw Material, Khan or Catapilla who were just as talented as the Big Five but were simply out of luck. Same goes for all walks of art, IMO - how many people remember such classics of literature as William Gaddis' 'The Recognitions' or Samuel Beckett's novels?

And it's obvious that a more accessible artist will almost always remain in social consciousness longer than a less accessible one, if only because it can enter this consciousness faster and on a larger scale. Of course thousands of acts light up and fail every year, but there are very interesting acts that only light up in very small circles.

threefates wrote: Manunkind wrote: Unfortunately the fact that a band is remembered longer doesn't say anything about its quality, only perhaps about the marketing that has gone into promoting it. Proof? Bands like Bubu, Indian Summer, Raw Material, Khan or Catapilla who were just as talented as the Big Five but were simply out of luck. Same goes for all walks of art, IMO - how many people remember such classics of literature as William Gaddis' 'The Recognitions' or Samuel Beckett's novels? And it's obvious that a more accessible artist will almost always remain in social consciousness longer than a less accessible one, if only because it can enter this consciousness faster and on a larger scale. Of course thousands of acts light up and fail every year, but there are very interesting acts that only light up in very small circles. I don't disagree with all that you've said, but I don't believe that many of the great prog bands who's names have carried thru the years.. are any more accessible than the ones you've mentioned.  Bands like Gentle Giant, Camel, or VDGG have never been considered very accessible bands, but they're names still carry some weight.

You're quite right, none of these bands are easy to listen to (at least at first), although I was actually referring to Ivan's comparing Genesis and Fantomas, and obviously the former is the more accessible of the two.

Manunkind wrote:

Unfortunately the fact that a band is remembered longer doesn't say anything about its quality, only perhaps about the marketing that has gone into promoting it.

What marketing are you talking about?

1. Genesis had to live in Italy because nobody liked them in UK.
2. Almost 50% of the Lamb Tour concerts were cancelled due to lack of interest even when everybody knew it was Gabriel's farewell.
3. Most of the Gabriel era Genesis albums are poorly recorded and produced,

Despite the worst marketing I ever saw today there are hundreeds of web sites talking about them, and Genesis has becomed on of the main bands and influences in Progressive Rock, this means something.

Genesis easy listening? Please, still after 30 years nobody fully understands, Do you believe The Musical Box, The Knife, Supper's Ready are accessible?

And it's obvious that a more accessible artist will almost always remain in social consciousness longer than a less accessible one

Are you sure, Where are all the boys/girls bands that sold millions, where are The Spice Girls who were N° 1 in Great Britain? Who buys Michael Jackson's albums once called "The King of Pop" (Except as souvenirs in the door of the court)?

Fantomas is a good band but nothing else, they have a low profile and probably will never reach the heights of the dinosaurs of Prog' Rock because they don't have enough quality or a defined style.

Please!!!!!!!!

Iván