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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2005 at 08:57

Originally posted by maidenrulez maidenrulez wrote:

Heh lets not forget SACD or DVD audio wich delivers excellent sound quailty at 192khz 24 bits but i use a portable cd player instead of a mp3 player because the mp3 quailty even at 192kbps is dreadfull. I also uses the great B&W nautilus 805 at home matched with som excellent thule amp's dvd player. Great stuff!

You need to encode your files using a better encoder-the difference is not that great-just equivalent to the difference between listening to a cd on a mini hifi compared to listening on a decent seperates system.

There is too much snobbery when it comes to HIFI.Angry
If the original recording is rubbish then a top of the range hifi seperates system will make it sound worse -not better, vinyl,cd or whatever! Confused

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2005 at 10:21
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by maidenrulez maidenrulez wrote:

Heh lets not forget SACD or DVD audio wich delivers excellent sound quailty at 192khz 24 bits but i use a portable cd player instead of a mp3 player because the mp3 quailty even at 192kbps is dreadfull. I also uses the great B&W nautilus 805 at home matched with som excellent thule amp's dvd player. Great stuff!

You need to encode your files using a better encoder-the difference is not that great-just equivalent to the difference between listening to a cd on a mini hifi compared to listening on a decent seperates system.

There is too much snobbery when it comes to HIFI.Angry
If the original recording is rubbish then a top of the range hifi seperates system will make it sound worse -not better, vinyl,cd or whatever! Confused

How come, one got the feeling you were going to say just that...hmmmm...???

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2005 at 10:25

This only to drive my turntable MC head

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2005 at 10:26

My girlfriend and my sister helping me to set a playlist

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2005 at 10:27
Originally posted by ita_prog_fan ita_prog_fan wrote:

This only to drive my turntable MC head

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2005 at 10:27

My Pre-Amplifier

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2005 at 10:35

Nieghbourhood while i'm listening to music on my hi-fi equipment at 5,5% volume



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2005 at 11:33
Originally posted by maidenrulez maidenrulez wrote:

Heh lets not forget SACD or DVD audio wich delivers excellent sound quailty at 192khz 24 bits but i use a portable cd player instead of a mp3 player because the mp3 quailty even at 192kbps is dreadfull. I also uses the great B&W nautilus 805 at home matched with som excellent thule amp's dvd player. Great stuff!



Hmmm...
I much prefer good old cd players.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2005 at 10:21
SACD has issues, I can't remember exactly what. I think mid-treble frequencies aren't represented poperly or something, even compared to CD.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2005 at 03:39
FLAC + rio karma = god.

but in reality, i hardly ever listen to cds anymore.  I've converted all my cds to either ogg or flac, and the convenience far outweighs the sound quality in the former, and well, cds don't have anything at all over flac.  the only reason all my music isn't flac is because i don't have that kind of hard drive space on my laptop... yet. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2005 at 04:54
Music on a computer...
the worst sound ever
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2005 at 12:18
Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

Originally posted by FishyMonkey FishyMonkey wrote:

MP3 player or CD player?

Yes, this relates to prog songs because I find some quality is lost in
an MP3 player. Plus that, there's nothing like lying down, popping in a
new CD, and listening to it straight through. CDs seem more special
than just a bunch of osngs on your MP3 player. Lastly, you get the best
listening experience with a CD player for the reasons above, and that's
what I find as important with prog.

So what do you prefer, CD player or MP3 player? Or no real preference?



Numeric is crap.
But among numeric, MP3 (and others compressed formats) is the worst thing ever invented.
So CD!



if you use decent encoding methods you can make some very good sounding mp3s.  also, lossless compression codecs like flac are indistinguishable from cd. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2005 at 12:26
Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

Music on a computer...
the worst sound ever


get a decent soundcard and make sure that if you're using windows you use ASIO or kernel streaming to bypass KMixer and send the music directly to the soundcard.  It avoids having the music resampled at 48khz and makes a dramatic difference in the sound quality.  You can really get some decent sound from a computer if you know what you're doing. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2005 at 12:54
Hmmm...
everything is relative!







This one is for you , ke9



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2005 at 15:03
There's no reason using a computer would sound any worse than using any other digital source, but I'm pretty sure no soundcard + computer speakers does sound as good as a top end CD player + top end amp + top end speakers. If it's at all possible the best way to go for using a computer would be to use an optical out and a standalone DAC connected up to a hifi, because there's far too much interference around a computer to use an analogue out, and also I don't think soundcards with a phono output are available (I may be wrong), which means you'd have to squeeze the stereo signal down one minijack cable (sadly, this is what my budget stretches to ). Also apparently a lot of standard soundcards don't even support 44.1KHz output, which sounds absurd , but I can't find any options on this computer so it might even apply to this. One day I'll buy a good 'un, but that day's many years away .
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2005 at 15:27
There are much reasons which explain why a computer can't produce good sound:
-First, it's a power great polluter.
When i light off the pc in my house while my system is on, i can clearly hear the difference, cause the PC is a great source of power pollution.(like a cd is a great source of power pollution/compare to analog source inside a system).
-Second, when you burn a CD on a computer burner, it ruins the sound, whereas if you burn it on a good audiophile burner, the cd can be absolutely the same than the original, which is not the case, i insist when you burn it on a computer.On a minimum transparent system, you clearly hear that the computer-burned Cd is harsher, agressive in the high, loose dynamic and soundstage, etc...etc..of course, on an ordinary standard bad system/or computer, you can't hear the difference.
Cause on a PC the circuits are not designed for sound and don't use audiophile components, and these are those audiophile components that make the difference between a little Cd player and a big one (along of course with the drive, power alimentation, etc...).

Good affordable audiophile burner:

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2005 at 15:32
...and Goose, forget to use a pc as a source or something

This is CRAP!!!

"but I'm pretty sure no soundcard + computer speakers does sound as good as a top end CD player + top end amp + top end speakers."

Don't dream
Don't think that put a converter on your computer will do something!!
you need a good drive like this one:





And not this rotten plastic piece !

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2005 at 15:44
I know it's been covered before here, and I am not disagreeing with you Olly, but a "1 or a zero" is a "1 or zero", how can an "audiophile" cd burner burn better quality 1's and 0's than a computer cd-rw ?, except than maybe by requiring more expensive cdr's.

"Why say it cannot be done.....they'd be better doing pop songs?"
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 31 2005 at 05:18
Because actually it's more complex that just 0 and 1.
Sound is much more complex.
And when you hear the difference between a computer-burned Cd and an original on a transparent system, you cry!!
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