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aapatsos
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Topic: Asia is bad? Can’t be! Posted: January 24 2006 at 19:12 |
I don't think they're bad, they dont have to be prog to be good
I enjoy most of their songs, its not bad to be 'catchy'
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zaxx
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Posted: January 24 2006 at 16:34 |
I dunno but when I think of Asia, I think of :
1) Aura -> awesome
2) Aqua -> beautiful
3) Rare -> unique
4) Aria -> heavy
The rest is of course mediocre...
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Gene
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Posted: January 24 2006 at 16:17 |
I agree that Asia is not prog rock, it is shamefully commercial and, considering the band members, one would expect some unbelievable masterpieces, yet it is decent music.
In an era dominated by endless lame pop-dance hits, no wonder some legendary prog names gathered and came up with something that would reflect the popular pressure. Nonetheless, the Asia albums never went so low as Phil Collins solo horrors. And, on almost all the tunes, the virtuosity is impressive and that makes the overall work at least respectable.
Sole Survivor and Who Will Stop The Rain beautiful songs, and I still like them even after years of listening.
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valravennz
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Posted: August 22 2005 at 18:59 |
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"Music is the Wine that fills the cup of Silence"
- Robert Fripp
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Posted: August 22 2005 at 18:00 |
Goose said:
At least they don't put out naff music at the same time though eh?
Erm.....erm.......erm...oh bugger you got me there goose........................but they did release the poll tax...and that was def out of tune with everybody
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Chris88
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Fishy
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Posted: August 19 2005 at 16:43 |
This isn’t the first time there’s a topic appearing about how bad Asia is. Really, I don’t understand the fuss.This issue should have been discussed in 1982 not in 2005, but I supposed there was a similar discussion back then. Being a teen at the time, Asia showed me the way to prog music and after that a whole new musical world opened. To my humble opinion they did a great job with introducing young people to this kind of music. I especially liked the first two albums. True on some moments it does sound more like aor than prog but what the hell. On other moments they play an accessible version of this kind of music. This is just what Yes did at the time, remember ? Prog music is not just about complex compositions, classical themes or extended instrumental interludes. It’s also about creating a symphonic landscape of different instruments playing their parts at the same time to create a symphonic wall of sound and that’s just what these guys did. Songs like “Here comes the feeling”, “Wildest dreams”, Without you”, “Cutting it fine”, “Daylight”, “The smile has left…” , “Time again”, “Ride easy, “After the war” and maybe on or two others are pure prog. Most of their other tracks could be classified under the file of “aor with symphonic tendencies”, the last category is pure aor : the 4 hitsingles, Too late, Countdown to zero, ….
The 90’s Asia are sounding even more aor but the prog elements are still there. Just listen to some stuff of the Arena album or the bonus tracks from Aura.. But I do prefer the Wetton era with special remarks for the debut album. Although it may have something to do with nostalgic feelings, I do like Alpha very much as well, just listen to a track like “Eye to eye”, it may sound very eighties but it’s still very enjoyable and the keyboard and guitar parts are awesome even if the composition is rather simple. Funny how the quality of the music seems to go downhill subsequent release. But their latest aor album Silent Nation was a very decent effort. But it’s no prog by any means. Does this mean this is bad music ? Not for me ! I suppose a lot of people were expecting a lot when they noticed the name of the 4 members on the sleeve of the first album. You shouldn’t compare Asia to what these guys did in the seventies, this was a different era. If you wanted a track of 15 minutes on an album in 82, you wouldn’t get a record deal. When compared to the music of that time, this wasn't so bad.
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bobthesalesman
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Posted: August 19 2005 at 15:30 |
Why did so many great bands seem to crap out in the 80s?
Damn punk movement and hair metal.
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Wormboy
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Posted: August 19 2005 at 15:29 |
Bilek wrote:
ASIA SUCKS!!!!!
there's nothing much to say about this, becasue everything that
needs to be said is said. Just make a brief search in the forum. There
are several threads on this, and one colloborator had even given some
historic facts about how the hell Asia was formed, and what happened
since then (with record companies, etc...)
I suggest freakmeeko to keep the hell out
of Asia! Not knowing this awful band is far better than knowing it
and hating the individual members for this crappy project, despite
the great work they put forward before! |
Yup. And so gimicky! Let's start the name of every album with "A," whether it's a good name or not!
Like I said, the album name should have been "Alimony," cause I'm sure that's why the album was made!
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Raff
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Posted: August 19 2005 at 14:25 |
I think the cooking metaphor is very fitting. You can take the best ingredients available and mix them, but don't expect to always come out with something wonderful - it's a question of chemistry as well. In the case of Asia, there was indeed a lot of pressure from Geffen, but also the desire of some members (Wetton in particular) to make lots of money. Then, it all happened in the Eighties, one of the worst periods of all for good music. Look what happened at Genesis and Yes (though I like 90125)...
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Bilek
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Posted: August 15 2005 at 05:39 |
ASIA SUCKS!!!!!
there's nothing much to say about this, becasue everything that needs to be said is said. Just make a brief search in the forum. There are several threads on this, and one colloborator had even given some historic facts about how the hell Asia was formed, and what happened since then (with record companies, etc...)
I suggest freakmeeko to keep the hell out of Asia! Not knowing this awful band is far better than knowing it and hating the individual members for this crappy project, despite the great work they put forward before!
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Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret: Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!)
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Sir Hogweed
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Posted: August 15 2005 at 05:06 |
This line-up and great Roger Dean covers must have lured many proglovers like yourself into buying their albums expecting to hear great things. I still sense some hard feelings towards this band because of that. If they would have put a removable sticker on the cover, saying "File under pop/rock", they would still have been succesful and their old fans would not have felt betrayed.
I suggest you buy all their albums to learn an important lesson about how statistics relate to music. GTR is another fine example.
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Shaman
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Posted: August 14 2005 at 20:59 |
Love the first two albums. It's not prog but is good 80's Rock.
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Fantômas
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Posted: August 14 2005 at 19:25 |
It isn't just bad, it's motherf**kin bad... Jesus...
ELP is awful, so Asia doesn't really surprise me being even worse...
Damn, Wetton was a member of one of the best bands ever! He should treat the people with more respect!
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M. B. Zapelini
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Posted: August 14 2005 at 08:49 |
As an AOR band, Asia is great, one of the best bands. As prog-rock, they are probably the greatest deception of all time.
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Axis
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Posted: August 14 2005 at 08:06 |
I bought the first two albums when they came out. They're OK, I like
some of the stuff. Haven't really bothered with them ever since.
Their current guitarist - Guthrie Govan - is a superb player!
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Rob The Good
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Posted: August 14 2005 at 07:49 |
To be honest, I REALLY like Asia...but they're not Prog. I don't mind - I like to let my hair down once in a while.
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And Jesus said unto John, "come forth and receive eternal life..."
Unfortunately, John came fifth and was stuck with a toaster.
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MANTICORE
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Posted: August 13 2005 at 23:28 |
SOLE SURVIVOR & HIT OF THE MOMENT
the only songs that I have listened
very pop.! but not bad
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Progbear
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Posted: August 13 2005 at 23:15 |
Tiresias wrote:
If you blend Crimson, Yes and ELP alumni, but make them play pop, they are gonna suck |
Actually...that’s not the problem. The line-up certainly had the
ability to make good pop music. But they chose not to, or
rather, didn’t care to. It’s the difference between Genesis’
Duke and Genesis’ Invisible Touch. Prog snobs who pretend
anything vaguely poppy is crap will tell you there is no
difference, but that’s not true.
The problem with Asia was that their hearts weren’t in it. They didn’t
make the music they made because they enjoyed it. They made it because
they were thinking, “this will put another Rolls Royce in the garage.”
The sad thing is, they were absolutely right. There’s nothing wrong
with music that just happens to be commercially successful/viable if
the people making it genuinely enjoy the music they’re making; that
will communicate itself to the listener. It’s when someone makes
commercial pop music purely as a moneymaking venture that it becomes
tragic.
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Hangedman
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Posted: August 13 2005 at 22:38 |
saying that a band is good only because the musicians are good, is like saying food is good only because it has only the most expensive ingrediants. In order to make a good dish you must have a good combination of tastes and flavors, if you just put all the rarest and most sought after spices it will taste terrible. Music is very similar.
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