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    Posted: May 13 2005 at 16:08
I love this epic ... some others don't. I honestly don't know why some of you don't like it ... what is good/bad about it, which other similar epics would you prefer?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2005 at 16:10
I think it's one of the best heavy metal songs ever written.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2005 at 16:17
I think it is excellent, and it has always had a bit of a Close To The Edge vibe to it for me, especially Mike's drumming, which seems more Bruford-inspired on this song, whereas he usually sounds very Peart-inspired to me. Great 7-string acoustic intro too!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2005 at 16:29

Originally posted by Ben2112 Ben2112 wrote:

I think it is excellent, and it has always had a bit of a Close To The Edge vibe to it for me, especially Mike's drumming, which seems more Bruford-inspired on this song, whereas he usually sounds very Peart-inspired to me. Great 7-string acoustic intro too!

I agree. IMO, the question of originality aside, it's even slightly better than CTTE, as the particular sections flow into one another more logically. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2005 at 17:10
its really good, i espeically love the live scenes from new york version where mike portnoy goes off stage and comes back in a bathrobe and they randomly play the theme from the simpsons in the middle of it!

To conclude their 3 hour set, James Labrie announces to the audience "sorry for the short set list!"

Dream Theater are brilliant, more brilliant than you

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2005 at 17:58
Brialliant song.  However if you manage to hear the version which is found in Live Scenes From New York, it is a hell of a lot better.  Very cool improvisation bit in the middle section as well. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2005 at 18:05
Originally posted by Manunkind Manunkind wrote:

Originally posted by Ben2112 Ben2112 wrote:

I think it is excellent, and it has always had a bit of a Close To The Edge vibe to it for me, especially Mike's drumming, which seems more Bruford-inspired on this song, whereas he usually sounds very Peart-inspired to me. Great 7-string acoustic intro too!

I agree. IMO, the question of originality aside, it's even slightly better than CTTE, as the particular sections flow into one another more logically. 

I admit, the joining of CTTE's four movement's is at times irrational, but it is still the supreme Prog Epic

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2005 at 18:28

I was going to reply with all the reasons why, but then decided to hold my peace about why I don't like this song.  It would only make you mad and start a "Yes it is" "No it isn't" war that won't accomplish anything.  Let's just leave it that I don't even think it's good music let alone good prog.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2005 at 18:41
Originally posted by Unifaun Unifaun wrote:

its really good, i espeically love the live scenes from new york version where mike portnoy goes off stage and comes back in a bathrobe and they randomly play the theme from the simpsons in the middle of it!

To conclude their 3 hour set, James Labrie announces to the audience "sorry for the short set list!"

Dream Theater are brilliant, more brilliant than you

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Hahah, I have those CDs too, I love all of it. It was a GREAT concert, especially some of the different stuff they throw in. The order of songs is great too.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2005 at 19:52

A Change Of Seasons = one of the best progmetal songs ever!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2005 at 21:23
By FAR, tha best song by Dream Theater. I believe that anybody could love this one, even the DT haters.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2005 at 21:29
I have listened to it maybe three times on the 'live scenes' CD but it didn't  do anything for me i'm afraid. Maybe its one of those songs that will eventually grow on you in time if you play it often enough. I'll give it another blast tomorrow! 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2005 at 22:00

It is not my favorite Dream Theater song, but its definitely in my top 5 with Learning to Live, Trial of Tears, Space-Dye Vest and Metropolis, I just love that song, its so amazing.

And no the ultimate Progressive Metal epic would not be this song, but rather Learning to Live :)



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2005 at 00:07
I actually like this song, even though I've never really liked any of the other Dream Theater I've heard.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2005 at 04:39
Originally posted by JMCecil JMCecil wrote:

I was going to reply with all the reasons why, but then decided to hold my peace about why I don't like this song.  It would only make you mad and start a "Yes it is" "No it isn't" war that won't accomplish anything.  Let's just leave it that I don't even think it's good music let alone good prog.

Obviously you don't like the song, that's fine with me. But what objective reasons are there that lead you to the statement that it's "bad" music or even not prog at all? I'm a musician, and I'm curious to see if there are specific elements of this song that drive people off, is it the singing, the heavy parts, ...   

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2005 at 04:54
Originally posted by JMCecil JMCecil wrote:

I was going to reply with all the reasons why, but then decided to hold my peace about why I don't like this song.  It would only make you mad and start a "Yes it is" "No it isn't" war that won't accomplish anything.  Let's just leave it that I don't even think it's good music let alone good prog.

Ah yes, the old "I wasn't going to reply with my objective opinions not to start an unnecessary argument so I replied I wasn't going to reply with my objective opinions not to start an unnecessary argument - (although I'm really making this reply just to have the last word and, with luck, to start an unnecessary argument and not be held responsible for starting it just because I had told everyone I wanted to avoid it in the first place)- argument"

OK, JMCecil let's hear 'em if you want them out so badly.   



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2005 at 05:08
Originally posted by NetsNJFan NetsNJFan wrote:

Originally posted by Manunkind Manunkind wrote:

Originally posted by Ben2112 Ben2112 wrote:

I think it is excellent, and it has always had a bit of a Close To The Edge vibe to it for me, especially Mike's drumming, which seems more Bruford-inspired on this song, whereas he usually sounds very Peart-inspired to me. Great 7-string acoustic intro too!

I agree. IMO, the question of originality aside, it's even slightly better than CTTE, as the particular sections flow into one another more logically. 

I admit, the joining of CTTE's four movement's is at times irrational, but it is still the supreme Prog Epic

Why then should it be considered the sureme Prog Epic? Shouldn't the supreme prog epic be inspired, inspiring, innovative AND cohesive?

EDIT: I don't want to start an argument over CTTE here, I simply detect double standards at play.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2005 at 05:28
Originally posted by Riph Riph wrote:

I think it's one of the best heavy metal songs ever written.


i think you nailed it.

it probably is a great heavy metal song but not a great prog song.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2005 at 05:44

Originally posted by geezer geezer wrote:

Originally posted by Riph Riph wrote:

I think it's one of the best heavy metal songs ever written.


i think you nailed it.

it probably is a great heavy metal song but not a great prog song.

Paranoid is a great heavy metal song. ACOS is not like Paranoid. ACOS is much more complex, with odd time signatures, different sections, keyboard layers, ... it is as prog as prog can be. What you fail to see (IMHO of course) is that there are various forms of prog. The most fitting of which seems to be prog metal in this case. If ACOS is not prog metal, what is?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2005 at 19:44

A CHANGE OF SEASONS IS THE GREATEST SONG EVER WRITTEN!!!

 

In my opinion.

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