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    Posted: May 07 2005 at 11:12

For some this may be an oxymoron, but I'd like to share some metal bands which do interesting things but wouldn't fit under a "progressive" tag , or even a "metal" tag in some cases, but still allied to the metal scene. I'm focusing more on obscure  (and mid 80s - present) bands here:

Empyrium  - these German chaps started off as a slow, folky melodic doom group before developing into straight up neo folk, albeit punctuated with the odd growl - over folky violins and acoustic guitars it sounds a bit disconcerting. They've done one of my absolute favourite songs - "Lover's Grief" (from their more metallish days) which starts off with a mournful flute "riff" repeated before crashing into what seems like almost unparalled beauty

Cause for Effect - http://www.kolumbus.fi/ari.tenhola/ are a "fusion grindcore" duo (I think from Sweden) who mix up their grindcore drumming and growls with weird techy bass parts. Not just a novelty!

Devil Doll - on the archives, although nothing like normal progressive metal. Modern opera with a gothic touch, absolutely fabulous. Twisted genius was never a more appropriate cliché.

Angizia - An Australian scaled down equivalent of Devil Doll. Probably their equal in terms of tortured singing, although I can't understand the libretto (yup, they're pretentious enough to call it a libretto, and so am I ) although with only a six piece band the sense of atmosphere and "epicness" is obviously nothing on Devil Doll, and their style isn't really similar enough to bear a close comparison. Still good, though.

Peccatum/Arcturus - both "offshoots" from the real guy out of Emperor - Peccatum more noisy and avant-garde, Arturus more operatic. Either one well worthy checking out.

Stijn Van Cauter - man of a thousand projects, ranging from minimalist drone to symphonic doom to funeral, but all slooooooooooooooww. A few projects: Dreams of Dying Stars, Organium (black metal on just an organ... whatever ), Until Death Overtakes Me.

That's not an exhaustive list, I'd just like to see if anyone's interested before posting anything more.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2005 at 13:52

Good thread- instantly avoiding the 'prog' and 'anti-metal' debate.

Neither truly metal nor prog, but the "Children of God" album by the Swans really does it for me. Usually the Swans don't get this heavy, but there's plenty of distorted grind under at least half the tracks, and all of the songs have a disturbing gothic vibe (but quite different from the usual 'vampires and gloom' mood of typical goth music). M. Gira has the perfect voice for doom, and Jarboe provides a sweetly ethereal counterpoint. Highly recommended for anyone who isn't afraid of the dark!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2005 at 18:54

I don't think it's an oxymoron at all - metal bands have always fascinated me.

Judas Priest and Blue Oyster Cult are probably the most interesting of the earliest wave, Raven and Diamond Head from the NWOBHM, Skid Row from the "hair bands", Napalm Death and Kreator from the early wave of thrash/speed metal and more recently System of a Down.

Specific albums that any progger/prog metaller should check out (if they don't already own them!) are;

Sad Wings of Destiny - Judas Priest

Cultosaurus Erectus - Blue Oyster Cult

Living on Borrowed Time - Diamond Head

Wiped Out and Rock 'Til You Drop - Raven

Slave to the Grind - Skid Row

Scum - Napalm Death (don't buy anything else by them - they only had the one idea!)

Extreme Aggression - Kreator

Toxicity - System of a Down

 

Also HIGHLY recommended:

Narita - Riot

Strikes / Marauder - Blackfoot

Head On - Samson

Winter Kill - Slauter Xstroyes

Spooky Two - Spooky Tooth (from 1968, this will knock you sideways if you don't know it - with elements of Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin, Judas Priest and early Yes, but before those bands were even formed!).

Split - Groundhogs (more grunge than metal, but superb!)

Kings of Oblivion - Pink Fairies

On Parole - Motorhead (This is one album NOT to be overlooked in metal's history - as UA did...).

 

...I'll think of some more later

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 08 2005 at 04:42
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Scum - Napalm Death (don't buy anything else by them - they only had the one idea!)

I made an MP3 disc of every ND album (except the newest, this was about a year ago), and it's totally ridiculous to listen to all the way through. Brutal Truth are a bit more varied though, and Soilent Green a sort of "southern grindcore" .

 

Spooky Two sounds interesting, I'll try and give them a listen.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 08 2005 at 04:55
I really good metal album is:

Disillusion - Back to the Times of Splendor (some sort of Progressive Melodic (Death) Metal) i really hate Death/ Black Metal and all sort of "grunt" music, but this album is really good.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 09 2005 at 17:06

Other thrilling metal bands :

coroner -'no more color', 'mental vortex' and 'grin' are very good technical thrash (or metal-prog if you prefer) albums

overkill - 'horrorscope' is their best

annihilator - 'alice in hell'

"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2005 at 03:19

 

Good call on Coroner, Lucas!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2005 at 07:54
Good list, Cert - I'd add the following:

Judas Priest - Sin After Sin (their last truly great studio set)

Magnum - Marauder (superb 1979 live set - very raw)

Metallica - The Black Album (in my view essential listening)

Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Spooky Two - Spooky Tooth (from 1968, this will knock you sideways if you don't know it - with elements of Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin, Judas Priest and early Yes, but before those bands were even formed!).


What a band - a good place to start with ST is "that was only yesterday"; a great compilation.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2005 at 15:19

Damn, so many to mention...

I will take this one piece by piece

Todays choice

Death all their albums apart from the first two that is apart from Scream Bloody Gore and Leprosy

sorry for the screwed up punctuation and ortography, the keyboard is freaking out on me today

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2005 at 16:29
I tend to lean towards the "death"-side of metal when in need of
something harder.

At the Gates - Slaughter of the soul // The best thrash/melodic death
album made. This defined the genre, with a tight trademark sound. One
of my all time faves. Can't recommend this enough.

Cryptopsy // I've recently discovered this totally insane tech-death band.
Probably the most brutal band out there, and oh-so tight live.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2005 at 16:40

Originally posted by Eemu Ranta Eemu Ranta wrote:



Cryptopsy // I've recently discovered this totally insane tech-death band.
Probably the most brutal band out there, and oh-so tight live.

CRYPTOPSY!!!!!!!!

 

 If you liked Cryptopsy you might also like the following bands:

Nile

Beneath the Massacre

Goratory

Lykathea Aflame

Immolation

Behold... the Arctopus



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2005 at 17:24
Good to find a brutal friend

Among those, I've only heard Nile (which I definitely enjoy). I'll keep an
eye on the rest when browsing cd stores!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2005 at 17:34

Originally posted by Eemu Ranta Eemu Ranta wrote:

Good to find a brutal friend

Among those, I've only heard Nile (which I definitely enjoy). I'll keep an
eye on the rest when browsing cd stores!

Brother in death metal;

I will be back with more suggestions for you; for now add Gorguts (especially the album "Obscura") to the list above.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2005 at 17:58

http://www.obscene.cz/ENG/index_e.html

this is where you can find a Lykathea Aflame mp3

http://www.voicesfromthedarkside.de/

and two mp3s for Immolation

sorry, couldn't get the link to a Beneath the Massacre mp3 to work,so go to the 'music' section at http://cryptopsyforum.info/ and find the thread on them, there is a functional link there

the other bands, apart from Gorguts, have samples on their websites



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2005 at 21:20

Hooray! Fellow metal fans

While we're on the topic of 'brutal' and/or technical death metal, i'd like to suggest the following: Origin and Psycroptic. Psycroptic more technical, original more brutal (at least as brutal as Nile).

I'd also like to recommend Alarum. They're an Aussie band who have a jazz-like texture to their music. Quite the musicians really. People often compare them to Cynic, but they really don't sound like Cynic to me at all. Sure they draw inspiration from Cynic and Atheist, epsecially lyrically (which death metal needs more of), but musically they still have their own sound.

While not as heavy as these previous bands, Spastic Ink are still a great band. Quite (very) technical and fusion influenced. This is the brainchild of Watchtower guitarist Ron Jarzombek (Watchtower are another great tech metal band to check out).

Here's some other cool metal bands to check out: Spiral Architect, Ulver (the early stuff is black metal, the later stuff is electronica), Absu (phenomenal drumming on the Tara album), Ephel Duath, Strapping Young Lad, Zyklon, and Meshuggah as mentioned on another thread.

I forgot to mention Maudlin of the Well and Kayo Dot - the latter being a continuation of the first. Maudlin of the well are probably the most eclectic band i've ever heard. Sometimes extremely heavy, sometimes soft, usually dark and i can only really listen to them when i'm in a certain mood. They use all kinds of instruments, from the stndard metal setup to woodwind and the like. Not easy to get a hold of though. I haven't really heard that much Kayo Dot, but from what i have heard, they sound slightly (!) less hectic than Maudlin, and probably darker still.

To me, Maudlin of the Well is the definition of progressive metal, or perhaps progressive music in general.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 20 2005 at 01:06

Ahh, I'm glad to see some metal fans on here.

 

My favorites:

 

Emperor: In my opinion, the most moving and emotionally fervent band to come out of the Norwiegan Black Metal scene.  (With possibly the exception of Burzum.)

Opeth: Simply brilliant.  My all time favorite death band.

Bloodbath: Basically a Death/Black Metal supergroup.  Very original and headbangable, and about as brutal as you can get.

Nile: I enjoy Nile not so much for its musical innovation, although there is more than enough musicianship involved, but for their originality with themes and atmosphere.  And the drum work is mind blowing.

Death: Original, heartfelt, listenable, unique, and technical while still retaining emotional qualities. What more can I say.  Chuck Shuldiner is (or should I say was )  one amazing human being.

 

Anyways, on the topic of Death, what are you fellows' opinions on Chuck's conversion to Christianity before his death?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 20 2005 at 02:35

Originally posted by Benighted Benighted wrote:

Anyways, on the topic of Death, what are you fellows' opinions on Chuck's conversion to Christianity before his death?

I wasn't aware he had converted to it from something else (or nothing).

Was this before or after he found out about his illness? If after, perhaps he needed something to believe in, or something to reach out to and comfort him. Perhaps it was for other reasons. Whatever it was, i respect his beliefs and it doesn't change my opinion of his music in the slightest.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 20 2005 at 13:56
Thanks a lot for the recommendations & links, Manunkind!

Behold... the Arctopus and Beneath the Massacre were my favourites,
hysterically insane! Lykathea Aflame had its superb moments, as had
Immolation (which was the most Cryptopsy-like).

Goratory was a bit too grindcoreish for my narrow tastes
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 20 2005 at 14:03
I like Therapy?, Dimmu Borgir, Metallica and some Fear Factory.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 20 2005 at 14:20

Anyone here like Into Eternity? They are my last discovery in the metal scene, and I find them amazing.

They should be listed in the Archives, no doubt about that for me.

 

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