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Points: 317 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 13 2005 at 16:51
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I for one don't care if Claudio what's his face sounds like Geddy Lee. That won't make me like them. If anything I'll have less respect for him not finding his own unique voice.

Secondly, I don't see how the band is progressive, and unless I'm mistaken, I think they're just trying it out now. Were they calling themselves prog on thier first album?

They didn't like Rush until recently, so Claudio Sanchez is not trying to sound like Geddy Lee at all.  (another one of your factual inaccuracies).

It all depends on the criteria for defining prog.  Coheed appear to tick all the right boxes, IMO.  It just seems to be prejudice about a band which are also linked to the emo sound.

What do you mean they didn't like Rush until recently, does that mean they didn't concider themselves prog or not?
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Points: 721 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 13 2005 at 17:00
Originally posted by DavidInsabella DavidInsabella wrote:

Originally posted by spectral spectral wrote:

Originally posted by DavidInsabella DavidInsabella wrote:

I for one don't care if Claudio what's his face sounds like Geddy Lee. That won't make me like them. If anything I'll have less respect for him not finding his own unique voice.

Secondly, I don't see how the band is progressive, and unless I'm mistaken, I think they're just trying it out now. Were they calling themselves prog on thier first album?

They didn't like Rush until recently, so Claudio Sanchez is not trying to sound like Geddy Lee at all.  (another one of your factual inaccuracies).

It all depends on the criteria for defining prog.  Coheed appear to tick all the right boxes, IMO.  It just seems to be prejudice about a band which are also linked to the emo sound.

What do you mean they didn't like Rush until recently, does that mean they didn't concider themselves prog or not?

Yes, because, as we all know, if you don't like Rush, you can't be a prog band.
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Points: 1422 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 13 2005 at 17:03
Originally posted by DavidInsabella DavidInsabella wrote:

Originally posted by spectral spectral wrote:

Originally posted by DavidInsabella DavidInsabella wrote:

I for one don't care if Claudio what's his face sounds like Geddy Lee. That won't make me like them. If anything I'll have less respect for him not finding his own unique voice.

Secondly, I don't see how the band is progressive, and unless I'm mistaken, I think they're just trying it out now. Were they calling themselves prog on thier first album?

They didn't like Rush until recently, so Claudio Sanchez is not trying to sound like Geddy Lee at all.  (another one of your factual inaccuracies).

It all depends on the criteria for defining prog.  Coheed appear to tick all the right boxes, IMO.  It just seems to be prejudice about a band which are also linked to the emo sound.

What do you mean they didn't like Rush until recently, does that mean they didn't concider themselves prog or not?

Does liking Rush automatically determine whether you are prog or not!?!  Claudio may sound like Geddy, but he wasn't influenced by him. 

As for prog, they're always had various tags applied to them from prog-metal to prog-emo to prog-rock.  And, Claudio has always maintained that [quote], "Progressive Rock is the best definition he's been able to find for his group's music."

Another quote from Claudio on their sound: "And that's what I think being a Progressive Rock band (means) -- the band doesn't stop with just one style."



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I want to have a serious talk with whoever made the decision to take these guys out of the archive.  I seriously, seriously find that rather silly and pandering of whoever did it, and I *implore* then to seek this band out...  remember, Kansas' radio singles were even less proggy...  
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Originally posted by Man Overboard Man Overboard wrote:

I want to have a serious talk with whoever made the decision to take these guys out of the archive.  I seriously, seriously find that rather silly and pandering of whoever did it, and I *implore* then to seek this band out...  remember, Kansas' radio singles were even less proggy...  

You should PM M@x ... you're a knowledgeable person, I think he'll listen.
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I did PM him.  He read it right away, several days ago, but he chose not to respond.  
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Originally posted by Man Overboard Man Overboard wrote:

I did PM him.  He read it right away, several days ago, but he chose not to respond.  

That happened to me also ... he's quite busy right now, preparing the new version of the website. Also you don't know that in the collabs area there are many bands being discussed for inclusion, that also adds to his workload.
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Originally posted by Ty1020 Ty1020 wrote:

Originally posted by DavidInsabella DavidInsabella wrote:

Originally posted by spectral spectral wrote:

Originally posted by DavidInsabella DavidInsabella wrote:

I for one don't care if Claudio what's his face sounds like Geddy Lee. That won't make me like them. If anything I'll have less respect for him not finding his own unique voice.

Secondly, I don't see how the band is progressive, and unless I'm mistaken, I think they're just trying it out now. Were they calling themselves prog on thier first album?

They didn't like Rush until recently, so Claudio Sanchez is not trying to sound like Geddy Lee at all.  (another one of your factual inaccuracies).

It all depends on the criteria for defining prog.  Coheed appear to tick all the right boxes, IMO.  It just seems to be prejudice about a band which are also linked to the emo sound.

What do you mean they didn't like Rush until recently, does that mean they didn't concider themselves prog or not?

Yes, because, as we all know, if you don't like Rush, you can't be a prog band.
What's irking you buddy? All I did was ask a question.
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Points: 317 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 13 2005 at 17:56
Originally posted by spectral spectral wrote:

Originally posted by DavidInsabella DavidInsabella wrote:

Originally posted by spectral spectral wrote:

Originally posted by DavidInsabella DavidInsabella wrote:

I for one don't care if Claudio what's his face sounds like Geddy Lee. That won't make me like them. If anything I'll have less respect for him not finding his own unique voice.

Secondly, I don't see how the band is progressive, and unless I'm mistaken, I think they're just trying it out now. Were they calling themselves prog on thier first album?

They didn't like Rush until recently, so Claudio Sanchez is not trying to sound like Geddy Lee at all.  (another one of your factual inaccuracies).

It all depends on the criteria for defining prog.  Coheed appear to tick all the right boxes, IMO.  It just seems to be prejudice about a band which are also linked to the emo sound.

What do you mean they didn't like Rush until recently, does that mean they didn't concider themselves prog or not?

Does liking Rush automatically determine whether you are prog or not!?!  Claudio may sound like Geddy, but he wasn't influenced by him. 

As for prog, they're always had various tags applied to them from prog-metal to prog-emo to prog-rock.  And, Claudio has always maintained that [quote], "Progressive Rock is the best definition he's been able to find for his group's music."

Another quote from Claudio on their sound: "And that's what I think being a Progressive Rock band (means) -- the band doesn't stop with just one style."

All I asked was if they've always concidered themselves prog. Pardon me for thinking since they weren't into Rush until recently, perhaps they didn't like prog until recently.

Coheed and Cambria certainly do seem to have one prog element, pretentious fans.
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Points: 721 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 13 2005 at 17:57
Originally posted by DavidInsabella DavidInsabella wrote:

Originally posted by Ty1020 Ty1020 wrote:

Originally posted by DavidInsabella DavidInsabella wrote:

Originally posted by spectral spectral wrote:

Originally posted by DavidInsabella DavidInsabella wrote:

I for one don't care if Claudio what's his face sounds like Geddy Lee. That won't make me like them. If anything I'll have less respect for him not finding his own unique voice.

Secondly, I don't see how the band is progressive, and unless I'm mistaken, I think they're just trying it out now. Were they calling themselves prog on thier first album?

They didn't like Rush until recently, so Claudio Sanchez is not trying to sound like Geddy Lee at all.  (another one of your factual inaccuracies).

It all depends on the criteria for defining prog.  Coheed appear to tick all the right boxes, IMO.  It just seems to be prejudice about a band which are also linked to the emo sound.

What do you mean they didn't like Rush until recently, does that mean they didn't concider themselves prog or not?

Yes, because, as we all know, if you don't like Rush, you can't be a prog band.
What's irking you buddy? All I did was ask a question.

You just seem so intent on proving that this band isn't prog when the opposite has already been proven many times in this very thread. Why not embrace the fact that there are more progressive bands out there for us all to discover?

BTW, just so you know, I myself am not a Coheed & Cambria fan. They're in my "recent tracks" sig, but those two songs were my first exposure to the band; I don't know a lot about them and haven't heard their earlier work, but I do know that, from what I've listened to, they're prog and I like them a lot.


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Points: 1422 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2005 at 16:54
Originally posted by DavidInsabella DavidInsabella wrote:

Coheed and Cambria certainly do seem to have one prog element, pretentious fans.

So, you're saying that people who listen to and enjoy prog-rock are all pretentious then?  Interesting conclusion.
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I'm with Man Overboard. There seems to be no reason why C&C keep getting deleted from the archive other than some Admin's close-mindedness. C&C are way more "progressive" than bands like Primus, Dredg, and Queen (the last one I've never considered prog in the slightet). Hell, the archives have Fire Theft listed, a band spawned from the ashes of Sunny Day Real Estate. And SDRE practically invented Emo.....
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The Fire Theft are on this site?
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Points: 1422 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2005 at 04:14
The Fire Theft appear to be on this site now!  Their album isn't emo at all though, very classic rock driven, Yes etc..  Their situation is like that of The Mars Volta; they may have been in an emo band before, but their music now is different.  The thing with SDRE is that their final album wasn't emo anyway.  I'm with Littlewashu5, if The Fire Theft are on here, then Coheed have to be too!
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The new website's up:
http://www.coheedandcambria.com/index2.html

You can stream the 'Welcome Home' video here, on Real Player and Quicktime:
http://www.coheedandcambria.com/media_scroller.html

There's also some wallpapers up featuring artwork from the Dear Apollo graphic novel:
http://www.sonymusic.com/artists/CoheedAndCambria/wallpaper/ 2x800.jpg
http://www.sonymusic.com/artists/CoheedAndCambria/wallpaper/ 3x800.jpg

I'm pretty sure the top picture shows Wilhelm Ryan (the guy with the creepy face), and Mayo Deftinwolf (the guy off to the side). Not sure about the second one.

Gosh, the new artist is so much better.
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put them back on, they're progressive if you understand even slightly what they word means relating to music...

I can't believe statements like this:

 "Coheed and Cambria certainly do seem to have one prog element, pretentious fans."

Ignorant, uneducated and presumptuous

 

 

 
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Points: 1422 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2005 at 16:34
Originally posted by Infinity Infinity wrote:

put them back on, they're progressive if you understand even slightly what they word means relating to music...

I can't believe statements like this:

 "Coheed and Cambria certainly do seem to have one prog element, pretentious fans."

Ignorant, uneducated and presumptuous

 

 

 
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*sigh*  Non-Prog, my arse...
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