QUEEN on progarchives

methalique wrote: Hi. I'm new and (already) old around here, at the same time. That's because this is my first and my last post. I really liked Progarchives. I was reading reviews here daily, browsing through forum topics - whatever was 'tasteful' enough (beside music itself) to stimulate my musical apetite. But c'mon, folks! What about Queen on Progarchives? Queen doesn't belong here. I really like Queen, but this is not the right place for Queen... Why should they be here? I know, it's a matter of personal preference. Of course, it's only my oppinion that Queen is not prog at all. But not only Queen. There are some other bands on Progarchives which are not prog at all, if you ask me. None bothered me. But the presence of Queen here does. Why? Because someone seem to have the intention to extend the "prog" concept over new musical areas. Well, it's not much time left until we'll be able to read about some nice prog elements ABBA (or Britney Spears) included in their songs... C'mon... Are we re-designing the concept of prog, so it may fit every pop/rock song we ever heard? I mean... what is this? Does someone try to pretend that he / she / it developed some kind of... detector or a sort of supernatural capacity that allows this 'someone' to isolate and analyse all progressive or progressive-like songs? Let's get serious... Farewell, Progarchives. It was really nice having you around all this time. And, as someone over here use to say: "keep on progging" - whatever that means...

Bye,don't let the door hit you on the butt on the way out.Pretty childish to abandon such a great site just because you don't agree with 1 bands inclusion.

I haven't posted yet on this thread.It is my opinion that while Queen are a great band and a lot of their music provides a backdrop/soundtrack to my youth,they are not prog and shouldn't be included here.

But I'm not gonna get my nose all out of joint about it.

No, Mike.  Methalique seems to get what you and other don't.  That simply because other "prog" sites include Queen doesn't mean that they are prog.  And methalique clearly came here - to Prog Archives - because (certainly among other reasons) s/he did not agree with that appellation and thought that Prog Archives would be what it claimed: a "prog" site that didn't simply "give in" to "mob rule" by adding bands that don't truly qualify as prog.

Bravo, methalique.  It would have been nice to have you.

Peace.

methalique wrote: Hi. I'm new and (already) old around here, at the same time. That's because this is my first and my last post. I really liked Progarchives. I was reading reviews here daily, browsing through forum topics - whatever was 'tasteful' enough (beside music itself) to stimulate my musical apetite. But c'mon, folks! What about Queen on Progarchives? Queen doesn't belong here. I really like Queen, but this is not the right place for Queen... Why should they be here? I know, it's a matter of personal preference. Of course, it's only my oppinion that Queen is not prog at all. But not only Queen. There are some other bands on Progarchives which are not prog at all, if you ask me. None bothered me. But the presence of Queen here does. Why? Because someone seem to have the intention to extend the "prog" concept over new musical areas. Well, it's not much time left until we'll be able to read about some nice prog elements ABBA (or Britney Spears) included in their songs... C'mon... Are we re-designing the concept of prog, so it may fit every pop/rock song we ever heard? I mean... what is this? Does someone try to pretend that he / she / it developed some kind of... detector or a sort of supernatural capacity that allows this 'someone' to isolate and analyse all progressive or progressive-like songs? Let's get serious... Farewell, Progarchives. It was really nice having you around all this time. And, as someone over here use to say: "keep on progging" - whatever that means...

Quite a childish post - why should I - or anyone else - care for your opinion on music when you put Queen on the same level as Britney Spears?

maani wrote: Cert: I am not as famliliar with Queen II as I am with NATO, with which I am extremely familiar.  In this regard, you are either blindly fanatical, or deaf: ... "Bohemian Rhapsody."  Unarguably prog. So how, exactly, do you qualify this album - as a whole - as prog? Peace.

Given that opinion on Bohemian Rhapsody, you should listen to Queen II again. I agree that NATO is arguably not very progressive, but Queen II is.

Not true, maani.

Queen II and ANATO are pure prog albums - and not IMO, humble or otherwise.

Those two albums alone justify Queen's place in the archives.

The fact that Queen had the same beginnings as Genesis and Pink Floyd, and came from the same circuits means a lot - and you should care, Crazy Diamond. It may not put them in the same musical bracket - obviously Yes and Pink Floyd are very different musically, but so are Jethro Tull, Gentle Giant, ELP, etc. - but it gives them the same roots.

90125 is not the only or worst example of Yes not "doing prog", as every Yes fan knows. BG.

Yes's first albums are classic psych pop/rock, with heavy bass, Beatles covers and Crosby Stills and Nash imitation harmonies (badly done and out of tune) and not prog in the slightest - unlike Floyd and Queen. Yes developed a very narrow style - I don't like what they did, and the more I listen to them, the more I don't really think they were all that progressive.

Genesis' first album is happy folky music and most Genesis fans discount it. Trespass -> W&W constitutes 5 years of music making out of 36. That's not a very good ratio.

Queen's first album is outrageously OTT rock (for the time), with prog pretensions all over the place, which came from their 20-minute epic jams as Smile. It's quite obvious to me that Queen's debut is far more proggy than either Genesis' or Yes, debuts, and that Queen II is a blatant all-out, all guns blazing prog album. It has 7-part vocal harmonies and complex guitar structures all over the place, the music develops thematic material and borrows stylistically from other genres, and comes out sounding completely original and yet, somehow accessible - for starters. No-one sounds like Queen, except, from one angle, the Darkness...

Accessible isn't a crime either - both Floyd and Camel are very accessible.

All the "anti" arguments so far are flimsy and based on opinion alone - conveniently ignoring the facts, which speak for themselves.

Yes, they supported them, but this doesn't mean that they were inspired by their music or followers of it. Who cares if they supported Yes and Pink Floyd?

ehm..ok 90125 is not prog at his best, but find a Queen album at the same level of Close to the Edge, Fragile, Relayer. I'm not trying to do a competition (there's no need  ), but you're taking the worst part of a band like Yes, without considering their most important works.

___BYE___

Aside from the should they/shouldn't they debate, just to say there are some excellent reviews coming in for Queen just now (and not all of them praising the albums by any means). Very focused and well written. I've had to deal with surprisingly few.

Congratulations and thanks to those contributing!

CrazyDiamond wrote: Also mocking my nick is unjust and hurtful, don't you think? I was only explaining my ideas, there was no need to mock me, please read the whole post before asking strange questions, mate.

Agreed, he shouldn't have mocked your nick, but it doesn't make your responding in kind fair.

Anyway, sorry for hijacking the topic, everyone, signing off. 

CrazyDiamond wrote: Nothing, only to underline his way of mocking my nick. Do you understand now?

But there's no need to use national stereotypes, man, it's unjust and hurtful.

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