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Points: 184 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2005 at 13:22

Originally posted by Ed_The_Dead Ed_The_Dead wrote:

GIVE ME MAIDEN!!!!!!!!!!!! IF QUEEN ARE IN, SO DO MAIDEN DESSERVE IT!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, I'd say Maiden are more prog than Queen  "Seventh Son" and "Brave New World" are pretty good proggish metal.

I am against Maiden being on progarchives, of course, although I like them very much. But if Queen's here anyway ...  
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Points: 427 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2005 at 13:23
There's lots of stuff on this site that's not "prog" in the narrow sense...

especially lots of psychedelia that's not even proto-prog, just rare and
obscure...I mean, you might as well put the Jefferson Airplane up, they
were plenty progressive.

However, I don't really see why anyone should care. If Queen did some
proggy stuff, why the heck not? Consensus among thousands of readers
is impossible. Just ignore what you don't like!
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Points: 3597 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2005 at 13:24

^ Queen is just a bad exemple that we don't need to follow
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Points: 3300 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2005 at 13:28

i do not know many songs of queen:

only we will rock you, radio gaga, we are the champions, and obviously bohemian rhapsody.

if many of their songs are like bohemian rhapsody, then this would proudly justify their presence here.
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On the subject of the controversial Queen issue, I think there should be begun a family of "Archives" sites. The first, I think, should be Metal Archives.com, for Prog Rock's raunchier/more evil cousin. Afterwards, there should be a Punk Archives.com, another one for Fusion, and whatever follows should be up to the discretion of the admin. Any crossovers should be okay. Also, Post-Punk and New Wave should also be included in the Punk archive.

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I think anyone against Queen being here are on a losing battle. This is from our own archives

Art Rock
A name that is used to refer to early explorative work that had roots in popular music.Very structured and even adventurous, sometimes hard or heavy, sometimes mellow, strong melodies, good hooks are an integral part of most of the material. Bands in this category can and have produced material falling into other categories as well. There may be moments of outright progressive rock but with more of a pop influence and certainly a tendency towards shorter songs.

 

To me it begs the question, is Art Rock really Prog?
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

To me it begs the question, is Art Rock really Prog?

IMO a lot of people are abusing the Queen discussion because they have a problem with that definition.
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

I think anyone against Queen being here are on a losing battle. This is from our own archives

Art Rock
A name that is used to refer to early explorative work that had roots in popular music.Very structured and even adventurous, sometimes hard or heavy, sometimes mellow, strong melodies, good hooks are an integral part of most of the material. Bands in this category can and have produced material falling into other categories as well. There may be moments of outright progressive rock but with more of a pop influence and certainly a tendency towards shorter songs.

 

To me it begs the question, is Art Rock really Prog?

Art rock is whatever does not fit in any other genre ...

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The Doors had some proggish stuff: The End, Soft Machine (it's in four parts), Riders on The Storm, &c.
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

I think anyone against Queen being here are on a losing battle. This is from our own archives

Art Rock
A name that is used to refer to early explorative work that had roots in popular music.Very structured and even adventurous, sometimes hard or heavy, sometimes mellow, strong melodies, good hooks are an integral part of most of the material. Bands in this category can and have produced material falling into other categories as well. There may be moments of outright progressive rock but with more of a pop influence and certainly a tendency towards shorter songs.

 

To me it begs the question, is Art Rock really Prog?

 

Except Queen was originally called a Glam Rock band
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Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Except Queen was originally called a Glam Rock band

That may be true ... but they were a very advanced Glam Rock band, at least on Queen II. later they decided to get more popular and became more rock/pop with every album.
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Originally posted by Arteum Arteum wrote:

Art rock is whatever does not fit in any other genre ...

I thought that was Fusion ...

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Points: 32995 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2005 at 13:38
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

I think anyone against Queen being here are on a losing battle. This is from our own archives

Art Rock
A name that is used to refer to early explorative work that had roots in popular music.Very structured and even adventurous, sometimes hard or heavy, sometimes mellow, strong melodies, good hooks are an integral part of most of the material. Bands in this category can and have produced material falling into other categories as well. There may be moments of outright progressive rock but with more of a pop influence and certainly a tendency towards shorter songs.

 

To me it begs the question, is Art Rock really Prog?

Except Queen was originally called a Glam Rock band

They were described as such, true, but it was just the pigeonholing of the day. Mind you, they certainly looked Glam!



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Points: 596 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2005 at 14:03
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Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Really. A daft move. I can hear people laughing at the credibility of the site already.

So let's open the door to every band of any type.  Wishbone Ash is more proggie, so is Spooky Tooth. Why haven't we got that section that I've long called for, that permits the odd one or two albums by bands which fits a tight description of prog, without having the lot. Queen's discography does not have the majority of albums in the prog category - glam rock (as they rightly said last Sunday on Top Gear) and rock pop.

 

I am not sure if the reasoning of the admins is not to include real prog bands even if they are obscure like Nima and Merge but lately with Radiohead some of the Metal bands and now Queen I wonder if it is just something to stir up controversy? I see no reason why Queen should be here.  If they are prog so are Deep Purple who brought their elements to the table long before Mercury May and co did.  A place like Progressive Ears includes a lot of people from the old days I wouldn't have considered Prog like Jimi Henedrix but they balance it with new fresh prog bands being added right away.  I cannot review some of the best new prog I have heard here because the admins don't agree with me that they belong here (Nima and Merge, Greg Howard and Spiraling among them. Yes I have followed the steps presented to adding new bands).

Just gives me more of an excuse to spend less and less time here

 



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Points: 4028 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2005 at 14:27

I found it quite annoying when our prog fans write this :

"Because this band is listed here , I want to leave progarchives ..."

 I think this is a CHILDY reaction

 

I always thought that PROG PEOPLE we more opened mind then the POP Music Boys , I always thought that we were different  in many aspect of our life !

I was wrong ....

It' up to you ... to leave or to stay !

But believe me , if you leave you will come back

 

 



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Originally posted by M@X M@X wrote:

I found it quite annoying when our prog fans write this :

"Because this band is listed here , I want to leave progarchives ..."

 I think this is a CHILDY reaction

 

I always thought that PROG PEOPLE we more opened mind then the POP Music Boys , I always thought that we were different  in many aspect of our life !

I was wrong ....

It' up to you ... to leave or to stay !

But believe me , if you leave you will come back

 



Though... with Queen here I see absolutely no reason for the Residents to remain unlisted. Retrovertigo sent you a biography - why no movement?
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Points: 15585 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2005 at 14:30

Just a reminder that the reviews section should NOT be used to discuss whether or not Queen should have been listed on the site.

All reviews which consist only of comments of this nature will be deleted. Reviews which discuss the content of albums, but also talk in more than passing terms about whether they should be here, may be edited.

This of course goes for all reviews, not just Queen!
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Points: 4338 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2005 at 14:36
Originally posted by M@X M@X wrote:

I found it quite annoying when our prog fans write this :

"Because this band is listed here , I want to leave progarchives ..."

 I think this is a CHILDY reaction

 

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Where in my note did I say that?  I said the direction of the site in terms of the bands added is a reason for me to spend less time here.

I can say it is just as annoying to be ignored also.

 


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I agree with most of you saying Queen is not a prog band.

I also agree with M@x that taking it so personally is childish.

I will not spend much time on Queen in this site cause IMO they did very few good things after "A day at the races" and even their best work is not more than 3 stars. Yet, I do'nt care that much they are here and do admit they have some progish elements. For me Supertramp and Styx are less proggier than Queen and they are here for a while now.

I feel like MIKENREGGALIA that if you include a band in the archives you should include all of their discography. I think the idea of borderline bands is a good idea.

I would claim that Deep purple, David Bowie, Kate Bush, Talking heads and Jefferson airplane (they are folk prog for sure) should all be included here for some of their works is realy prog and will interest some of us.

neither Queen nor any other artist I mentioned is an essential to prog but some are essential for rock music. So let it be .....
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