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Arteum
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Topic: QUEEN on progarchives Posted: July 29 2005 at 12:57 |
So, Queen is *officially* on progarchives!
This defines a revolutionary step in the development of the website. Radiohead was just a preparation, it seems!
I am a huge Queen & Freddie fan, but Queen presence on progarchives is more than dubious. And, note, even "Jazz" (1978), on which there's not a trace of prog is included! I think first two albums by Queen are decent prog ... but even "Sheer Heart Attack" and "A Night at The Opera" are debatable. What is next? Freddie Mercury as art rock? Brian May?
Some people have already remarked (and I support them) that progarchives should have a section for "shady" or "borderline" bands (music), when it is unclear whether they write prog or not. Bands such as Queen, Styx, Radiohead, Supertramp, The Mars Volta should be placed there. People will still review their albums just as those of any other prog band, but at least (almost) everyone will be comfortable with this solution and this will end constant squabbles ...
I constantly argue with my friends over what's prog and what's not. They tend to listen to rock and the borderline bands ... and I decided for myself to not define the place of these borderline bands and indeed classify them as borderline!
It's like a cloud -- you certainly know where the centre and bulk of it is, but where does the cloud end?
A correction: now that I reflected on it, I think "Sheer Heart Attack" is debatable as prog, but "A Night At The Opera" might be an essential art rock (prog) creation by Queen.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: July 29 2005 at 13:00 |
You should be more patient. Just wait and see how artists like Queen will be presented, once the discussion regarding "borderline" bands is through.
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Posted: July 29 2005 at 13:01 |
If they are going to have Queen here, then all their albums should be listed, the same as all the other bands here!
Personally I have NEVER described Queen as Prog, and I won't start now.
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Posted: July 29 2005 at 13:01 |
I'm very pleased by this move. That is all.
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Posted: July 29 2005 at 13:03 |
There are "borderline" artists who really participated to the growing of prog rock music, sorry but Queen doesn't figure among them. You should try something with Third Ear Band, Vanilla Fudge for exemple who are already mentionned in the archives.
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Posted: July 29 2005 at 13:05 |
Trouserpress wrote:
I'm very pleased by this move. That is all. |
i could say it better, so i wont.
agree.
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Posted: July 29 2005 at 13:06 |
I always thought that Queen is not a Progressive Rock band in the whole sense of the word, even when I agree that has more Prog oriented albums than Styx or Radiohead, but I don't disagree with their inclusion because they were revolutionary in many aspects and that's one of the charactaristics of Prog'.
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Arteum
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Posted: July 29 2005 at 13:06 |
Snow Dog wrote:
If they are going to have Queen here, then all their albums should be listed, the same as all the other bands here!
Personally I have NEVER described Queen as Prog, and I won't start now.
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You are right. Because if now we start selecting prog albums it will wreak havoc on progarchives. It's pretty clear where classical ELP ends ... but at least one of their later albums includes prog elements ... And where to stop listing GENESIS albums? Which albums to drop? I think "Calling All Stations" is prog whereas "We Can't Dance" is proggish pop.
And, as I said before, Queen is just a borderline band ... it belongs to neither prog nor rock, in my view.
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Posted: July 29 2005 at 13:08 |
Let me put it another way: Maybe you don't like Queen and don't share my point of view regarding Queen II, but each of us should have a band or an artist that only has some progressive albums, and who could now be included. If I had to choose whether more or less artists should be included, I'd choose MORE anytime.
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nimrodel
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Posted: July 29 2005 at 13:09 |
i can honestly say that the prog music wouldnt be where it is now or where it was in the 70 without queen.
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Dick Heath
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Posted: July 29 2005 at 13:11 |
Really. A daft move. I can hear people laughing at the credibility of the site already.
So let's open the door to every band of any type. Wishbone Ash is more proggie, so is Spooky Tooth. Why haven't we got that section that I've long called for, that permits the odd one or two albums by bands which fits a tight description of prog, without having the lot. Queen's discography does not have the majority of albums in the prog category - glam rock (as they rightly said last Sunday on Top Gear) and rock pop.
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Posted: July 29 2005 at 13:13 |
^Let me laugh loud
prog music wouldnt be where it is now or where it was in the 70 without Miles Davis, Terry Riley and Ravi Shankar.
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Posted: July 29 2005 at 13:15 |
nimrodel wrote:
i can honestly say that the prog music wouldnt be where it is now or where it was in the 70 without queen. |
I'm incredulous at that statement..WHAT?????? Are you serious?????? I'm sorry I, I........pour me drink someone please!
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Posted: July 29 2005 at 13:17 |
GIVE ME MAIDEN!!!!!!!!!!!! IF QUEEN ARE IN, SO DO MAIDEN DESSERVE IT!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted: July 29 2005 at 13:18 |
philippe wrote:
^Let me laugh loud
prog music wouldnt be where it is now or where it was in the 70 without Miles Davis, Terry Riley and Ravi Shankar.
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You can add them, I wouldn't mind their addition. Adding Miles Davis would not mean that every Jazz artist can be included, and adding Queen doesn't mean that every Glam Rock artist can be included. I don't see a problem ...
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nimrodel
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Posted: July 29 2005 at 13:18 |
Snow Dog wrote:
nimrodel wrote:
i can honestly say that the prog music wouldnt be where it is now or where it was in the 70 without queen. |
I'm incredulous at that statement..WHAT?????? Are you serious?????? I'm sorry I, I........pour me drink someone please!
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*pouring a drink for you*
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philippe
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Posted: July 29 2005 at 13:18 |
The day Maiden and others will be here, I will leave the place
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Dick Heath
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Posted: July 29 2005 at 13:19 |
nimrodel wrote:
i can honestly say that the prog music wouldnt be where it is now or where it was in the 70 without queen. |
Sorry, but I have to ask your reasons and for examples, because I don't agree at all - I worked from 1972 to 1976 in one of the bigger UK university's Ent Groups - who had the now current President of Warner Records as it chair. Queen became increasingly influential in the rock pop scene yes, but prog.....................
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Posted: July 29 2005 at 13:20 |
nimrodel wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
nimrodel wrote:
i can honestly say that the prog music wouldnt be where it is now or where it was in the 70 without queen. |
I'm incredulous at that statement..WHAT?????? Are you serious?????? I'm sorry I, I........pour me drink someone please!
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*pouring a drink for you*
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cheers, skol, salute.......thats better!
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nimrodel
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Posted: July 29 2005 at 13:21 |
Snow Dog wrote:
nimrodel wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
nimrodel wrote:
i can honestly say that the prog music wouldnt be where it is now or where it was in the 70 without queen. |
I'm incredulous at that statement..WHAT?????? Are you serious?????? I'm sorry I, I........pour me drink someone please!
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*pouring a drink for you*
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cheers, skol, salute.......thats better!
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that was guinnes you wanted?
lets say KIPPISTÄ like we finss do.
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