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Aaron
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Topic: Yes - Tales from Topographic Oceans Posted: May 17 2004 at 12:38 |
i was reading the reviews on the website, and
everyone is mentioning how controversial this album
was when it came out or how it still is, some say it
blows, others give it praise
i didnt really start getting into prog until about a year
ago, but i find this album to be one of there best,
same goes for Relayer (which there is debate over
as well)
now i am only 23, and i certainly wasnt around when
this album came out, i dont know anything about its
impact
what i am getting at is this; Has the perception of
music changed through time? Is the younger
audience hearing this album differently.? Maybe it is
just me, but i was getting the impression that
younger prog fans enjoyed the longer albums, the
longer songs.
same thing with ELP i guess, i hear to much
criticism but i dont see any reasons why
Aaron
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The Owl
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Posted: May 17 2004 at 13:34 |
I listened to it for the first time in a number of years recently.
It takes a lot of patience to get through it (don't try to do it all in one sitting, it's very exhausting).
My own feelings about it, it could've been a masterpiece if the songs were edited down to about a third or half their length, there's just too much filler.
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Fitzcarraldo
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Posted: May 17 2004 at 14:19 |
Aaron,
I remember buying Tales when it was first released, but I can't say I recall that much controversy; perhaps some surprise at the direction the band was taking, and I remember some people thinking the album pretentious, but I was not living in Europe or North America at the time so perhaps there was more reaction on those continents.
Tales is, in my opinion, an excellent album (and I still enjoy listening to it 30 years later). And that was the opinion of my prog-loving friends at the time it came out too.
I can't say the same for Relayer though, I'm afraid. I know I am in a minority here and many will disagree strongly with me, but Relayer was the first Yes album that I did not like and, in my opinion only, was the beginning of the end for Yes musically. I just didn't like the album when it came out and I don't like it now. That's just my own feeling as I do know how much many other people like it. (This does indicate that my perception of it hasn't changed with time!)
In general I don't think perception of music has changed with time, nor do I think today's younger audience is hearing the album differently. I think you'll find there are a lot of older prog fans out there who like Tales (and Relayer) a lot. I certainly know several. Same goes for ELP, although see my comment on ELP further on.
As for your speculation about today's younger audience enjoying the longer albums and longer songs, I would say that this is not the case. Believe me, us 'old folk' used to - and still do - like listening to longer albums and tracks too.
Actually, I'm very pleased to read your final comment. Everyone's taste is different, and I think a lot of it just boils down to that. Another possible factor is that when albums like ELP's Brain Salad Surgery came out they were quite radical musically. Perhaps after 30 years and in today's world it just doesn't sound so radical to the older audience any more. That's not surprising though. However, I'm sure you'll still find lots of older ELP fans who are just as keen on the music now.
Of course, ultimately, the only thing that matters is if you like them.
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Easy Livin
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Posted: May 17 2004 at 14:44 |
I think the "controversial" bit is fuelled as much as anything by the band itself. Rick Wakeman never misses an opportunity to criticise it.
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Gaston
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Posted: May 17 2004 at 17:32 |
The main annoyance were the lengths of each song. They took up one side of each record. It was viewed as very pretentious, but I think Yes is the only band able to pull it off in this way (although Porcupine Tree did ok)
I don't regard it as pretentious, I revel in its mastery. That's the difference. You can be negative or positive.
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Wayman
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Posted: May 19 2004 at 20:38 |
Aaron,
I've been a Yes fan for years, but for some reason I
didn't buy 'Tales' until only about a month ago. I was
familiar with 'Nous sommes du Soleil' from the box
set and from various compilation CDs, but I hadn't
heard anything else from the album. When I first put
it on, I have to say that I was totally blown away by the
opening, especially by the chant-like group vocals;
then I quickly got bored, and, although I was
prepared to include myself on the 'masterpiece'
side of the controversy, had to concede that I didn't
like it. Three weeks later, however, I couldn't stop
playing it. I listen to it right now more than any other
Yes album, frequently playing it through from
beginning to end. I don't think it is as masterfully
crafted as 'Close to the Edge' or 'Relayer,' but it's a
great album nonetheless.
As for 'Relayer.' I think it is a brilliant album. The
Musicianship is increadible and the writing
absolutely breathtaking. I find it ironic, therefore, that
I hardly ever listen to this album. In fact (preparing to
dodge thrown objects), I probably listen to 'Union'
more often.
Wayman
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The Analog Kid
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Posted: May 19 2004 at 22:40 |
I love this one. The lengts of the songs are fine. they don't seem overly long (perhaps only The Remembering drags a little to far), and I enjoy listening to the whole thing at once. Revealing Science of God and Ritual are two absolute classics, both songs are among the best of Yes. I think Ritual may well be the best song Yes ever recorded! A masterpiece on itself, and I'm glad they did it in Amsterdam with the orchestra, THE highlight of the DVD and of the 3 Yesshows I saw. I simply cannot live without Topographic Oceans.
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Joren
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Posted: May 20 2004 at 05:30 |
look in the featured CD section, Aaron, there already is a topic on Tales...
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Aaron
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Posted: May 20 2004 at 14:15 |
[QUOTE=Joren] look in the featured CD section,
Aaron, there already is a topic on Tales... [/
QUOTE]
thanks?
Aaron
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Joren
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Posted: May 21 2004 at 12:47 |
I really love the album and I don't understand why some progfans hate it!
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