Would you consider Rush's music Eclectic Prog??

bytor2112 wrote: Kati wrote: RUSH I certainly do not consider eclectic Welcome back

She's not online right now and she's been connecting to PA lately.Don't scare her off . Nevermind I confused you with smartpatrol


Edited by ProgMetaller2112 - April 13 2013 at 02:25

I agree that Eclectic is a rather broad term and that Rush aren't as Eclectic as GG and early KC. But there is most definitely quite a bit of Eclectic moments in Rush's music. Tell me does Caress of Steel, Hemispheres, Moving Pictures and Grace Under Pressure sound like the same band?


Edited by ProgMetaller2112 - April 13 2013 at 02:17

Kati wrote: RUSH I certainly do not consider eclectic, as a 3 member band too infact i would consider ELP even more eclectic compared to rush, as they had a lot of guest musicians on their albums. However, Rush, no, non, nee, niet, nao I don't think they are. :)

Why so mad, Sonia . ELP Eclectic . So reliance on Keith is eclectic


Edited by ProgMetaller2112 - April 13 2013 at 02:01

ProgMetaller2112 wrote: Same for Red....the title track is almost like metal. More like hard rock

That's just your opinion and I don't agree.  I have listened to a lot of metal and I consider the title track of Red as one of the heaviest pre-NWOBHM tracks. 

ProgMetaller2112 wrote: Gets kind of complicated doesn't it, I agree that Larks' Tongues' individual tracks are varied but as Sonia(Kati) once said she considers eclectic as someone moving from musical direction to another within the same song I don't get the feeling that ever really happens on LTIA and on Discipline or Red. Could you say the same for Gentle Giant? This has nothing to do with Rush I just don't get why they(King Crimson) would be considered eclectic(since I've been listening to them a lot lately, I don't really understand why they would be considered?) The changes could be said for other prog bands not under eclectic. I guess I'm just trying to make a bold statement

That may be your or Sonia's definition of eclectic but it's not the PA definition.  Nevertheless, there are many KC tracks that do live up to the notion of absorbing different musical styles within a single track.  One More Red Nightmare starts off with a menacing, heavy riff but moves into a languid saxophone solo.  Again, Red...starts off with heavy distortion but the cello interlude introduces a classical flavour.   On a rough reckoning, I'd say most tracks from the Wetton-KC albums and several others before would have remarkable changes within a single track.  I definitely hear a 'simplification' from Discipline onwards, but that is because the music got more rhythmically complex. 

 I know where you're coming from re GG...you are referring to the no. of instruments they use, which makes their tracks eclectic on an individual basis.  But over the course of a few albums, I don't hear as many changes in their style as KC (even though they did change their drummer and lost Shulman) so to me, it evens out.   According to PA, eclectic prog describes a summation of elements from various musical sources, and the influences and career paths of bands that take from a wide range of genres or styles..  KC is one of the easiest fits to this description because of the no. of times they changed their style.   Other big bands typically stuck to their quintessential style for whatever may be their reasons but Fripp was not content with that.

rogerthat wrote: ProgMetaller2112 wrote: I don't understand why King Crimson is in Eclectic Prog? I know they went through changes but as Sonia once said it's more like changing music and heading for a completely new direction(compare" Larks' Tongues in Aspic" to "Discipline" that's changing musical directions and it is not Eclectic). I don't really hear a quality to King Crimson's music that would really render them Eclectic. They were NEVER as Eclectic as Gentle Giant. That depends on what exactly you mean by eclectic and if you say Rush ought to be called eclectic prog, I am not at all sure what you consider eclectic.  As for KC, flipping through the individual tracks of LTIA would make it clear that they are not in the same style at all and even the approach veers from improvised music to more tightly composed stuff.    and has a cello playing in parts of it while One More Red Nightmare gets pretty jazzy.   Discipline...Indiscipline, Sheltering Sky, Matte Kudasai, Frame by Frame, I don't know how they are all supposed to be the same style of music.  It can be made out that they are all by the same band but that holds true for Gentle Giant as well.

Same for Red....the title track is almost like metal. More like hard rock

Gets kind of complicated doesn't it, I agree that Larks' Tongues' individual tracks are varied but as Sonia(Kati) once said she considers eclectic as someone moving from musical direction to another within the same song I don't get the feeling that ever really happens on LTIA and on Discipline or Red. Could you say the same for Gentle Giant?
This has nothing to do with Rush I just don't get why they(King Crimson) would be considered eclectic(since I've been listening to them a lot lately, I don't really understand why they would be considered?) The changes could be said for other prog bands not under eclectic. I guess I'm just trying to make a bold statement

I don't understand why King Crimson is in Eclectic Prog? I know they went through changes but as Sonia once said it's more like changing music and heading for a completely new direction(compare" Larks' Tongues in Aspic" to "Discipline" that's changing musical directions and it is not Eclectic). I don't really hear a quality to King Crimson's music that would really render them Eclectic. They were NEVER as Eclectic as Gentle Giant.

Edited by ProgMetaller2112 - April 12 2013 at 01:36

Sumdeus wrote: ProgMetaller2112 wrote: Sumdeus wrote: but if everyone only posted "i love rush so much!!!" and no one ever gave any other perspectives or opinions then there would be no discussion and it would just be a circle jerk of rush fanboys can't we say the same for other bands???? you just contradicted yourself Sumdeus how did i contradict myself? where did i previously say people shouldn't post if they don't like something? if you're referring to the KC thing with you, we've told you multiple times the issue was not that you don't like KC but the way you tried to force it upon others and acted like your taste was superior

I also meant to say that we can say whatever we want about certain bands without crossing the line how about that

rogerthat wrote: ProgMetaller2112 wrote: rogerthat wrote: ProgMetaller2112 wrote: mister nobody wrote: ProgMetaller2112 wrote:   I'll admit its a bit of a stretch but what gives Cstack3 the right to say it's not music because it is? I'm not sure, but I think he didn't really mean that it "isn't music" literally, but rather as a phrase to describe his dislike for Rush. then he should just say that instead Actually, he did say that he does not consider it music, he didn't claim that it isn't.   Yes, there's a difference when you frame an opinion as clearly referring to your personal tastes and preferences or as simply forcing it as a generalization on others.  You clearly haven't learnt that distinction yet.    I could say the same thing for you but i will not You will not because I haven't.  I haven't said any goddamn negative thing about Rush or any other of 'your' favourite bands in this thread many of which, by the way, happen to be my favourites as well.

I'm not talking about bands I was talking about myself

 You clearly haven't learnt that distinction yet.  

bytor2112 wrote: ProgMetaller2112 wrote: cstack3 wrote: In all honesty, I barely consider it music.   There.  I said it.   In all honesty, I barely consider King Crimson music There. I said it I don't see how that was relevant

ProgMetaller2112 wrote: Sumdeus wrote: but if everyone only posted "i love rush so much!!!" and no one ever gave any other perspectives or opinions then there would be no discussion and it would just be a circle jerk of rush fanboys can't we say the same for other bands???? you just contradicted yourself Sumdeus

how did i contradict myself? where did i previously say people shouldn't post if they don't like something? if you're referring to the KC thing with you, we've told you multiple times the issue was not that you don't like KC but the way you tried to force it upon others and acted like your taste was superior