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    Posted: January 19 2013 at 04:49
Originally posted by JeanFrame JeanFrame wrote:

Greg Lake achieved a lot, but somehow feel not as much as he should have.
presumably because he was playing second fiddle to a couple of 'show offs' I guess?
 
Greg is undoubtedly an excellent musician although I'm not sure what else he should have achieved?
 
Played in the seminal progressive rock band
Played in the most successful rock supergroup
Played live with an orchestra
Has one of the most enduring and best Christmas records
Recorded two solo albums with the then best guitarist on the planet
Did that massive world televised concert with Asia
 
Also his best songs have been recorded and released either with ELP or as a soloist.
 
He's has a good career I feel.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2013 at 09:38
Greg Lake achieved a lot, but somehow feel not as much as he should have.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2013 at 06:09
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and did you read the last line of that article? HilariousLOL
Indeed, what do we have then to think about their debut's cover LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2013 at 01:44
Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Great pics and info Gerinski. I'de never seen a picture of the Tarkus they used on stage before. It looks ridiculously amateurish like some school project gone wrongLOL

I think they themselves realised it and at some point they got an improved version, with more menacing eyes, ears etc and it looked better.
The thing actually released smoke and fired a charge of polystyrene snow, here a couple more pics, the creature smoking, being repaired and an article about it.







Thats much better
 
and did you read the last line of that article? HilariousLOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 09 2013 at 17:55
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by DiamondDog DiamondDog wrote:

Interesting. Perhaps too much freedom and power was a negative influence rather than a positive.
Just out of interest what do you regard as Lake's best song?

Strangely enough, that's part of the problem; for me, there is no best song; all we get are glimpses of possibilities, but I feel there is/was always something in there struggling to get out. I always regarded the ELP exercise as a wasted opportunity in that way, even though I'm a fan of the band's best work.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 09 2013 at 16:05
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Great pics and info Gerinski. I'de never seen a picture of the Tarkus they used on stage before. It looks ridiculously amateurish like some school project gone wrongLOL

I think they themselves realised it and at some point they got an improved version, with more menacing eyes, ears etc and it looked better.
The thing actually released smoke and fired a charge of polystyrene snow, here a couple more pics, the creature smoking, being repaired and an article about it.









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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 09 2013 at 14:35
Great pics and info Gerinski. I'de never seen a picture of the Tarkus they used on stage before. It looks ridiculously amateurish like some school project gone wrongLOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 09 2013 at 14:31
Originally posted by DiamondDog DiamondDog wrote:

Interesting. Perhaps too much freedom and power was a negative influence rather than a positive.
Just out of interest what do you regard as Lake's best song?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 09 2013 at 07:16
For the record this is Keith's version in PlanetMellotron. The dubious point is that "Greg could play the Tron with pedals", this seems not to have been the case.
At any rate it clarifies that what broke down was the Revox playing the backing tape, not the Tron itself.

"After we recorded Trilogy (1972), we wanted to perform the album on stage, but Abaddon's Bolero was a hugely complex track with loads of Moog synthesizer overdubs and it was quite impossible to play it live. So we sampled complete phrases off the 16-track onto a Mellotron, which Greg could play using bass pedals. This still wasn't enough, so we also hooked up a Revox tape recorder and arranged the track around that. Unfortunately, the second time we tried it in front of an audience, the Revox ground to a halt and so did Carl, Greg and myself. We ended up having a huge argument backstage, the result of which was that we never attempted the Bolero again. I would have trashed the Mellotron, but I gave it to Greg instead. I've no idea where it is now."

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 09 2013 at 06:51
I'm not sure if what we see in this one is also the edge of the Tron but we see the funny Tarkus creature which head looked more like a sweet kangaroo than a warrior armadillo LOL




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 09 2013 at 06:46
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Was on the Trilogy tour in 1972 when he played Mellotron on Abaddons Bolero. Don't think it lasted more than a few gigs as it kept breaking down!
Indeed (1973 according to Keith below), here a couple of pics showing the white M400, and Keith's recollection of the story (PlanetMellotron has a slightly different one which sounds less reliable).

"Carl wore an earphone, and played the drum in synch with a click on the backing tape. Greg played the prerecorded chords on the Mellotron. The trouble arose after playing "Abaddon's Bolero" about 4 times live - the tape went bad and the sound stopped going to Carl's earphone. Carl continued to play without his earphone, but at the climax, the sound from the backing tape was lost, and then it was only the three of us playing. We decided to stop using it after that. It was too risky and also Carl did not like playing to a backing tape. This happened in Germany in 1973."






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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 09 2013 at 05:03
Interesting. Perhaps too much freedom and power was a negative influence rather than a positive.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 09 2013 at 02:03
Originally posted by DiamondDog DiamondDog wrote:

Where I'm "coming from" is the quality of the songwriting, the potential he had that was never fulfilled. I never set out any reasons why he never got there, perhaps inadvertently (and ironically) some of the situations you cite may have contributed to some kind of lack of balance and explain where he ended up. I definitely don't think his writing got better after Crimson, you mustn't confuse arrangement and performance with writing as such. For whatever reason, he never (IMO) achieved what he should have.
Ultimately we can never know but while he was in Crimson he didn't actually write any songs of his own.
he did co write Epitaph but then its a matter of taste whether you prefer that over say Trilogy which he co wrote with Keith Emerson. I like both and both are different. Whats a simple fact is that he would have had less freedom in Crimson compared to ELP so I don't really understand how that could possibly have been of benefit in developing his song writing.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 08 2013 at 16:46
Where I'm "coming from" is the quality of the songwriting, the potential he had that was never fulfilled. I never set out any reasons why he never got there, perhaps inadvertently (and ironically) some of the situations you cite may have contributed to some kind of lack of balance and explain where he ended up. I definitely don't think his writing got better after Crimson, you mustn't confuse arrangement and performance with writing as such. For whatever reason, he never (IMO) achieved what he should have.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 08 2013 at 16:18
Originally posted by DiamondDog DiamondDog wrote:

He never reached his potential as a songwriter, he could have been so much better. Ironically, he doesn't get the credit he deserves for the standard he reached. I feel that ELP in particular stunted his abilities. King Crimson was a far better vehicle, but the wheels came off the bus.
 
I don't agree at all and I'm not sure where you are coming from anyway.
Fripp wouldn't let him record Lucky Man  and Lake gives this as one of the reasons he had to leave King Crimson.
 
I would argue that he became a better song writer in ELP. Emerson gave him lots of ideas. Would he have used Troika in his Christmas song but for the classical influence of ELP I wonder? Lake wasn't a prolific song writer and partnered up with Sinfield for Works in order to get six songs done. Emerson was quite happy for Lake to contribute more as I understand it and Lake was no shrinking violet in terms of stating and getting what he wanted. Those that knew them in the seventies would probably say Lake was the strongest personality in the band. He was never given the production seat in ELP he just took it!  Emerson also has a great story at the time of the recording of Pirates and a meeting with 'Lenny '(as Lake called him) Bernstein in his biography that also proves he was no shrinking violet.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 08 2013 at 11:29
He never reached his potential as a songwriter, he could have been so much better. Ironically, he doesn't get the credit he deserves for the standard he reached. I feel that ELP in particular stunted his abilities. King Crimson was a far better vehicle, but the wheels came off the bus.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 08 2013 at 05:58
Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Also turned out that they were both musicians as well!


Then they should have known better... Grrrrrrrrrrr

Hmph!

Yes.  That is even more shocking.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 08 2013 at 05:55
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Also turned out that they were both musicians as well!


Then they should have known better... Grrrrrrrrrrr

Hmph!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 31 2012 at 01:34
Saw him in Montreal last Spring; I found the show pretty amazing (of course, my wife and I were in row A, seats 1 and 3). We payed the extra to meet him after the show; money well spent. My wife came only so I wouldn't be alone. When we met Lake, I barely could ask him anything, she just kept talking and talking. It was cute!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2012 at 15:33
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

Thanks for the review & the opposing views guys - interesting to hear about the same gig from 2 perspectives. Certainly sounds like an interesting evening...

Originally posted by Kosmos Kosmos wrote:

why people go to a gig to talk and not listen is beyond me


My pet hate - had this twice at Shepherds Bush before, once for King Crimson & once for P J Harvey


Nice review Richard.

It really bugs me that people go to a gig and talk. It happened to us with two women at an Elbow gig, you could hear them talking in the quiet bits. If you want to talk, stay at home and put a CD on. Angry
Cheers. Funny thing was at the gig the nice American couple I mentioned in my review were talking through most of the first half. It was really bugging me but then after speaking to them at the interval and hearing their stories and love for ELP and prog rock in general I forgot all about it and it no longer bothered me. Also turned out that they were both musicians as well!
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