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    Posted: October 18 2012 at 09:19
I generally prefer vocals not to be in English as well, though there are many songs in English in which I do care about the lyrics and sing along with.

Scott: If you want to sing along with music in another language, and know what's being said, you could try to search for the lyrics, translate them (using say Babelfish on-line translator), then try to sing them in the original language as you read.  It can be a helpful way to learn new languages too.

 I tend to favour non-English language films too -- sometimes because the art and themes speak to me more (I like Art House cinema), but also because it combines my love of reading with watching, and I find it quite magical when you stop noticing the subtitles, and it can be like your head is translating what they are saying automatically (like hearing and understanding the language at the same time).  It might sound a bit laborious, but it could be fun.

Incidentally, with Magma I have tried to learn the words a bit using the Kobaian dictionaries you find on-line, but I also tend to fill in similar words in English to what I am hearing (mondegreens).  I do like to sing along to quite a bit of Magma (sometimes inserting my own words/ phrases in English, and sometimes using the original).  I love to sing along with Theusz Hamtaahk.... "Theusz Hamtaahk, Theusz Hamtaahk, Hmmm!" and sing along to another with ""He's gotta love that knee! oh, that knee".

Have a look at this if you haven't already.  It's Magma Philosophy Wars with MDK:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWsFWdqLmNM

It might help you to appreciate/ have fun with Magma more -- and down the road get you singing, and dancing cause it's very danceable, to music by the band:

I used to be an ESL teacher, and am now thinking about starting a program in which I incorporate lots of singing and dancing into the class to help aid learning.  Hardly a  new idea, as kids having been learning through song or a long time, and in French class at elementary school we had to learn French songs.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 18 2012 at 02:27
I actually prefer vocals in non english. This way it's easier for me to ignore them and just focus on their musical vaule.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 17 2012 at 12:55
^Just not to go all Moshkito on you I like to add that anyone who rates Lark's Tounge in Aspic with five stars is less of a cultural ignorant than plenty of my real life friends (and just about everyone in my family), and I still manage to get along with them just fine.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 17 2012 at 12:27
Originally posted by Mellotron Storm Mellotron Storm wrote:

Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Dude.  We are the US and UK.  It is the rest of the world's responsibility to Kowtow to us. 
 
 
Seriously though, I admire that so many on here have no problem listening to music sung in their nonnative language and I admire those who are able to speak multiple languages.  Aside from Spanish, in which most kindergarteners could talk circles around me, I've never taken the time nor had the desire to learn another language.  No real need to since most of the world does speak English.
It's not question of learning, I think. Listening to Claudio Milano, i.e. I don't care of the lyrics even if they are in Italian. His music is too challenging and requires a lot of attention so I don't know what he says, also because he uses his vocal extension as an instrument. It's like trying to gues what a sax is saying...

Good point as Milano's voice is like another instrument, he could be singing in Jamaican and it wouldn't matter.LOL
But yes Scott instead of learning the language just treat the voice like another instrument and it might be less frustrating.
It really only works for me if it is background music.  I keep telling people that I have no business being on a prog site.  I don't really like instrumental music all that much, therefore treating the voice as another instrument doesn't really work that well for me.  I know it is weird, since I enjoy Yes, and their lyrics basically have nonsensical meaning in which the voices are really just other instruments.  But the nonsensical lyrics are in English so I can sing along, even if it doesn't make any sense.  LOL   
 
And in regards to the instrumental music, there are plenty of instrumentals that I enjoy.  i.e. anything from Rush LOL.  I think that it is an attention span issue with me.  Throw in an instrumental in the middle of an album or song and I am fine with it, but listening to an entire album of instrumental can become quite tedious. 
 
I'm not familiar with this Milano fellow, so I'll see if I can track something down from him and see how it effects me.   
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 17 2012 at 12:16
Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Dude.  We are the US and UK.  It is the rest of the world's responsibility to Kowtow to us. 
 
 
Seriously though, I admire that so many on here have no problem listening to music sung in their nonnative language and I admire those who are able to speak multiple languages.  Aside from Spanish, in which most kindergarteners could talk circles around me, I've never taken the time nor had the desire to learn another language.  No real need to since most of the world does speak English.
It's not question of learning, I think. Listening to Claudio Milano, i.e. I don't care of the lyrics even if they are in Italian. His music is too challenging and requires a lot of attention so I don't know what he says, also because he uses his vocal extension as an instrument. It's like trying to gues what a sax is saying...

Good point as Milano's voice is like another instrument, he could be singing in Jamaican and it wouldn't matter.LOL
But yes Scott instead of learning the language just treat the voice like another instrument and it might be less frustrating.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 17 2012 at 10:47
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Dude.  We are the US and UK.  It is the rest of the world's responsibility to Kowtow to us. 
 
 
Seriously though, I admire that so many on here have no problem listening to music sung in their nonnative language and I admire those who are able to speak multiple languages.  Aside from Spanish, in which most kindergarteners could talk circles around me, I've never taken the time nor had the desire to learn another language.  No real need to since most of the world does speak English.
It's not question of learning, I think. Listening to Claudio Milano, i.e. I don't care of the lyrics even if they are in Italian. His music is too challenging and requires a lot of attention so I don't know what he says, also because he uses his vocal extension as an instrument. It's like trying to gues what a sax is saying...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 17 2012 at 10:45
Dude.  We are the US and UK.  It is the rest of the world's responsibility to Kowtow to us. 
 
 
Seriously though, I admire that so many on here have no problem listening to music sung in their nonnative language and I admire those who are able to speak multiple languages.  Aside from Spanish, in which most kindergarteners could talk circles around me, I've never taken the time nor had the desire to learn another language.  No real need to since most of the world does speak English.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 17 2012 at 10:45
I like the Hungarian of Ater Crying and the Slovakian of Marian Varga and Collegium Musicum without being able to underrsatnd any single word.  Even if I'm Italian I was used to English lyrics and my first non-italian and non-english band has been Anglagard.  Personally I don't give a f**k to the language. People luaghs at what I listen to even when it's instrumental LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 17 2012 at 10:35
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Personally, I just can't find much interest in listening to music not sung in English.  The music is fine enough, I just don't like not being able to understand what is being sung.  

Well I feel sorry for all you folks of the UK/US etc. who needs the rest of the world to sing in your language for you to be able to appreciate this artform. Don't know why I bother as you don't seem to be the even the slightest ashamed or embarrassed about it. Kudos to those of you who's not a cultural ingorant, though. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 17 2012 at 10:29
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Personally, I just can't find much interest in listening to music not sung in English.  The music is fine enough, I just don't like not being able to understand what is being sung.  Funny enough, yesterday I was listening to the Progstravaganza 9 compilation in my car on my drive down to the ballgame with my friends in the car.  It is mostly a jazzy/fusiony compilation and they were fine with it for awhile, and than the guy started singing in his native language and they were like unanimously giving me the WTFs and stuff and made me turn it off.  LOL

LOL Yeah i think most people would think you or i were nuts listening to a non-English singer. My friends would react the same way yours did. I still remember when the thought of listening to non-English vocals was ridiculous to me. It was hearing PFM singing in Italian that changed my mind about that and man i have a lot of non-English vocal albums now, many which i consider masterpieces. I'm just careful who i play them around.LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 17 2012 at 10:29
My wife doesn't either say WTF. She cries "put something listenable" before the music starts, regardless the language.
 
Btw, basing on what you say I should be listening to PFM only....


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 17 2012 at 10:02
Personally, I just can't find much interest in listening to music not sung in English.  The music is fine enough, I just don't like not being able to understand what is being sung.  Funny enough, yesterday I was listening to the Progstravaganza 9 compilation in my car on my drive down to the ballgame with my friends in the car.  It is mostly a jazzy/fusiony compilation and they were fine with it for awhile, and than the guy started singing in his native language and they were like unanimously giving me the WTFs and stuff and made me turn it off.  LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 17 2012 at 09:38
^ I think most would agree with you including myself that singing in their native language is always prefered. Although personally i have trouble with Polish, Russian and some other Eastern bloc countries because the language is not appealing in the least. I've marked many a recording down from these places only because it affected my enjoyment in a major way.
With Krautrock though singing in English was really part of the anti-establishment, underground movement. The pop.beat and commercial sounding bands all sang in German and so Amon Duul II, Can and on and on all sang in English and for me there are very few that bother me. Eloy's "Ocean" is an example for me of having terrible accented vocals although i've gotten used to them. I haven't got the same problem with their earlier records like "Inside" and "Floating". Different singer ?  Eulenspygel is an example of a band who started their careers singing in English but switched to German lyrics because they felt the message in their songs were important for Germans to know.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 17 2012 at 02:30
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^Thanks Greg !
LIGHTSHINE doesn't get much love apparently but i really dig this sole release from the German band. Lots of flute and spacey passages with vocals in English. Just some good songs on his one.

Yes, unfortunately, As with a lot of german bands with lots of great musical potential, choosing to sing in a heavily accented english: I can't get passed the vocals. Hoeldelin's Traum gets an extra star or two by default just for singing in their native language (its a beautiful album as well). Its so important for the musical flow and among the folkier bands its also essential for the feeling of authenticity. 

Originally posted by Mellotron Storm Mellotron Storm wrote:

I'll also mention Kollektiv a German band who play a Jazz flavoured Krautrock style of music. Flute and sax as well in this all-instrumental band. This is a posthumous release from 2005 with the concert taking place in 1973.These guys love to improvise and to manipulate their sound.

Interesting. I have heard their only studio album but always preferred the lower rated SWF-Sessions Volume 5 also containing similar/identical compositions. I guess I need to check out this album as well, as their music seems to come more alive on live recordings.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 17 2012 at 01:44
Os Mutantes with no votes? I think not a lot of people knows this band nor this album. They are no doubt about it one of my favorite brazilian bands. I'll give them a vote!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2012 at 15:19
I'll also mention Kollektiv a German band who play a Jazz flavoured Krautrock style of music. Flute and sax as well in this all-instrumental band. This is a posthumous release from 2005 with the concert taking place in 1973.These guys love to improvise and to manipulate their sound.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2012 at 15:06
^Thanks Greg !
LIGHTSHINE doesn't get much love apparently but i really dig this sole release from the German band. Lots of flute and spacey passages with vocals in English. Just some good songs on his one.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2012 at 14:09
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Originally posted by SaltyJon SaltyJon wrote:

I'll give it to Kew Rhone here; only heard it, the Magma and the MBTW, but it's a great album.  That Magma's one of my favorites of their live albums too, though. 

I was thinking Logan might vote for them too but we'll see. I prefer "Songs" but most value "Kew Rhone" the most.


I'm actually rather  torn between Kew Rhone, Retrospektiw I-II, and I'm Around About Midnight (the only three I have off the list, but I've loved them all), and so will think it out in this post (writing out loud as I lamely think).  The Lard Free has the advantage of being fresher to me.  I haven't had it as long as the others, and so it hasn't been shelved as much, nor worn out the same sense of excitement..  "Theusz Hamtaahk" is my favourite piece off those albums, and it is excellent (could still happily play that now).  Kew Rhone was one of my favourite albums in PA, but it lost a lot of its lustre for me (the "musical" qualities sound a bit too mechanical/ inorganic, and erm, fey?, for me  now).   I will go for the Lard Free.  I used to love the "MDK" version on that Magma album, but it's not one of my favourite MDK versions any longer.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2012 at 11:55
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I should obviously vote for Magma, as the ultimate Theusz Hamtaahk is on Retrospektiw, but to be honest I'm not sure I've listened to the full version of MDK on this more than once. Besides I might be the only chance Lard Free's got of getting a vote. Great band with a flawless discography. The would probably have a much bigger cult following if they were german.


I also like how none of their albums sound the same. This one is almost Electronic with HELDON's Richard Pinhas having a prominant role on guitar and synths.
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