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    Posted: June 04 2012 at 22:00
Cool,THANX!!!!!
....that just leaves Anderson and Wakeman!
...Squire? ...mr bass man owns the name?
WOW go figure?
...but then iv'e never known much bout politics?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 04 2012 at 08:35
Originally posted by stacyj stacyj wrote:

Honestly,Anderson,Howe,Squire,Wakeman and White,
is what i remembered through the years!
They inspired many of my thoughts and will forever do so!!!
Some of my own music is geared after them.
Andersons main voice with Howes(a little off key)back up?
were perfect to me!!!And was tickeled pink when the synth came out,
and with the sound?Wakman was joyed,cause he could blow Howe,
off the stage if he wanted to!  lol
Yes i know other members came and went.
But still,it has to be someones wish that the name YES remains,
or it wouldnt! So putting all things beside? i belive its the 5 i mentioned!
keeping in mind they all really belived in their message to us!
But then im probably delusional,as some have said!   ....its my world and i prefer that!
Thanx 4 listining!!!



Squire owns the Yes name.  He is the reason they still tour (though obviously Howe and White are still wanting to join him).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2012 at 14:29
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Somewhere along the way, Yes transformed from a rock band with all of its petty competition, politics, and jealousies, into a corporation more along the lines of General Electric!!   

Squire, as CEO of YesCo, shows himself to be pretty heartless.  Unfortunately, he's not selling light bulbs, but artistic product to fans like us who care and remember.  

This sure isn't pretty to watch, is it?  I keep waiting for something new to develop....maybe Anderson, Wakeman and Rabin (long rumored).   Squackett is worth watching for, but I can't help but think that Squire will screw that up as well.  

I think you put the finger on something about Yes that caused me lose interest in them after 90210.  I still have some post albums and saw them live on the Union tour but the music just isn't that interesting anymore and maybe all the bullcrap is getting in the way.
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2012 at 14:11
Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:


Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

 It's hard to read such horrible stories about your idols. Yes are really among my very top favourite bands, and I love the positive vibe of their music, but at the same time they (I assume Squrie mainly) can do such horrible things. I mean, if Moraz was doing well with the band, and needed the job, what should they kick him out for? And not pay him what he earned, that's just not something to be done. Sometimes this sort of things on part of Squire were done in favor of the music, and up to a point it may be forgiven... but sometimes he just got quiet too far. And not always the results were so favorable for the music.

I know, isn't that a bummer??  "Relayer" was such a masterpiece & central to my musical listening back then (I saw the band twice during that tour).   Moraz just destroyed me with his then-novel Mini-Moog technique, since copied by many other artists (expressive use of modulators & filters). 
Somewhere along the way, Yes transformed from a rock band with all of its petty competition, politics, and jealousies, into a corporation more along the lines of General Electric!!   
Squire, as CEO of YesCo, shows himself to be pretty heartless.  Unfortunately, he's not selling light bulbs, but artistic product to fans like us who care and remember.  
This sure isn't pretty to watch, is it?  I keep waiting for something new to develop....maybe Anderson, Wakeman and Rabin (long rumored).   Squackett is worth watching for, but I can't help but think that Squire will screw that up as well.  


If the "classic" line-up was to come back together again and do some new album, I guess they could do something great and worthy of their 70's work again... if they do it right. I would love to see some more Wakeman writing within a Yes album, I love a lot of his music and he has contributed too little on Yes. Besides, he got some return to form on the 2000's, and seems to be the most progressive (as a genre) minded Yes-man at the moment. Otherwise, if they are not going to get together again, they need to get a new genious within the band. Just a good, or even and excellent musician isn't enough for the higher standards have achieved before. They need some of the best rock musicians on whichever instrument they would replace, and not only musician, but also creative force, someone capable of creating some new, exciting music, and infusing new life to the band. I don't know if John Davison may be that man, I don't know Glass Hammer nor do I know how much writing and creativity he has offered to the band (nor how long will he stay with Yes).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2012 at 08:01
dont know much bout the institution?
but i love yes,and everyone is a Brother of Mine!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2012 at 00:22
Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

 
It's hard to read such horrible stories about your idols. Yes are really among my very top favourite bands, and I love the positive vibe of their music, but at the same time they (I assume Squrie mainly) can do such horrible things. I mean, if Moraz was doing well with the band, and needed the job, what should they kick him out for? And not pay him what he earned, that's just not something to be done. Sometimes this sort of things on part of Squire were done in favor of the music, and up to a point it may be forgiven... but sometimes he just got quiet too far. And not always the results were so favorable for the music.

I know, isn't that a bummer??  "Relayer" was such a masterpiece & central to my musical listening back then (I saw the band twice during that tour).   Moraz just destroyed me with his then-novel Mini-Moog technique, since copied by many other artists (expressive use of modulators & filters). 

Somewhere along the way, Yes transformed from a rock band with all of its petty competition, politics, and jealousies, into a corporation more along the lines of General Electric!!   

Squire, as CEO of YesCo, shows himself to be pretty heartless.  Unfortunately, he's not selling light bulbs, but artistic product to fans like us who care and remember.  

This sure isn't pretty to watch, is it?  I keep waiting for something new to develop....maybe Anderson, Wakeman and Rabin (long rumored).   Squackett is worth watching for, but I can't help but think that Squire will screw that up as well.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 01 2012 at 20:29
Honestly,Anderson,Howe,Squire,Wakeman and White,
is what i remembered through the years!
They inspired many of my thoughts and will forever do so!!!
Some of my own music is geared after them.
Andersons main voice with Howes(a little off key)back up?
were perfect to me!!!And was tickeled pink when the synth came out,
and with the sound?Wakman was joyed,cause he could blow Howe,
off the stage if he wanted to!  lol
Yes i know other members came and went.
But still,it has to be someones wish that the name YES remains,
or it wouldnt! So putting all things beside? i belive its the 5 i mentioned!
keeping in mind they all really belived in their message to us!
But then im probably delusional,as some have said!   ....its my world and i prefer that!
Thanx 4 listining!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 01 2012 at 18:59
Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:


Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,
 

I don't think so ... and I doubt it ... YES has become the ugliest thing on this earth in terms of members and what not, and the way that these folks are hired hands for an evening and they can not get a cent off the music they helped create. Folks like Patrick Moraz got seriously robbed, and unfairly so, even when we talk about that album so fondly! But the real problem was that the original person they wanted (Vangelis) couldn't make it and was not going to learn their earlier material that easily ... and neither was he going to be able to learn TFTO and neither was Patrick going to learn all this ... in fact, I don't think I have heard or seen any concerts with Patrick at all! It might have played some of the earlier and easier material but I doubt any parts of TFTO were ever done with anyone else.

 

The whole thing has gotten so ugly ... that I have lost my taste of YES ... and Relayer remains the last thing I enjoy listening to.

Thank you for this, M!  Once I knew the truth about how Moraz was treated, I listen to "Relayer" in a different light.  There are always two sides to every argument, but the story Patrick relays is rather chilling....doesn't give me much hope that he'd join Squire on Broadway!!  
<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 12.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Times">- Were you forced to leave or parting company was friendly?


<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 12.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Times">Unfortunately, I was forced to leave. And even though, at the time, the split "was not made to appear acrimonious", I suffered extremely and extensively. To be "asked to leave" so suddenly put me in a lot of turmoil and disturbance. The fact is, I was never compensated for anything. I never ever got paid for any of my tour participation in the extremely successful and extensive YES Tour of 1976, which comprised about 65 concerts, many of them in front of sold-out audiences of more than 100,000 people. After all, as a member of the band, I was entitled to a 20% cut from what the band was getting.

<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 12.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Times">I don't like to dwell into negatives, however, I can tell you that I had absolutely no desire to want to leave YES, at the time, in November of 1976. We had just finished the biggest tour YES had ever done, the "Bicentennial Tour", a huge, extremely successful tour for YES. Somehow, it had been decided that we would go and record, in my own country, Switzerland, what became the album "Going for the One", which we had extensively composed, developed and rehearsed during the course of 1976 (and even before that). There was no reason in the world for me to want to leave the band! Also, I understood, much later, that Rick was already in town, with his own crew, when I was still in the group, and I was still part of YES.

<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 12.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Times">In addition, it was an extremely complicated and difficult situation for me to be stranded, on the street, with my baby daughter who was only one-month old and her mother, without any transport or money, in the cold winter of Switzerland. Then the fight for survival to stay alive, it all became surreal.



It's hard to read such horrible stories about your idols. Yes are really among my very top favourite bands, and I love the positive vibe of their music, but at the same time they (I assume Squrie mainly) can do such horrible things. I mean, if Moraz was doing well with the band, and needed the job, what should they kick him out for? And not pay him what he earned, that's just not something to be done. Sometimes this sort of things on part of Squire were done in favor of the music, and up to a point it may be forgiven... but sometimes he just got quiet too far. And not always the results were so favorable for the music.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 31 2012 at 23:22
Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

I don't know how I feel about this, but I'm picturing Jon Anderson fronting Yes, with Wakeman, Moraz, and Kaye all playing keys Approve

What about Igor Khoroshev??  

Not to mention Billy Sherwood, Peter Banks, etc. 

I kind of think the invitation to join Squire's residency would be met with a resounding "NO!"  Or, even "F*** OFF!"  

Pete Banks talks about the residency Yes had at the Marquee Club in London back in the day:

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 31 2012 at 21:44
Do tell? ...ugly, ....bad ideas, ...not treated accorddingly? 
...so why didnt YES disband and therefore their name never used again?
Its 2012 and its still being used,must be someones wish?
anyway,if they could get the original members together for it,i think it would be nice!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 31 2012 at 12:58
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,
 
I don't think so ... and I doubt it ... YES has become the ugliest thing on this earth in terms of members and what not, and the way that these folks are hired hands for an evening and they can not get a cent off the music they helped create. Folks like Patrick Moraz got seriously robbed, and unfairly so, even when we talk about that album so fondly! But the real problem was that the original person they wanted (Vangelis) couldn't make it and was not going to learn their earlier material that easily ... and neither was he going to be able to learn TFTO and neither was Patrick going to learn all this ... in fact, I don't think I have heard or seen any concerts with Patrick at all! It might have played some of the earlier and easier material but I doubt any parts of TFTO were ever done with anyone else.
 
The whole thing has gotten so ugly ... that I have lost my taste of YES ... and Relayer remains the last thing I enjoy listening to.



I've heard at least two concerts Moraz played on........one I have on video tape and is quite well know, QPR 1975.  The other is on the Yesshows live album, which has two tracks, Gates Of Delirium and Ritual, from a Detroit performance in 1976.  So Moraz most certainly learned TFTO material, as well as Close to the Edge material, and older stuff as well.

As to the topic at hand, I think Squire is delusional at this point.  And what a horrible way to treat Moraz back when he was "let go".

 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 31 2012 at 12:48
Just picked up tickets for the Yes / Procol Harum stop in Atlanta this July for, get this, $14 each! And that's a Ticketmaster purchase, too! Perhaps, as you eluded to, they're anticipating less-than-large crowds this go-round. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2012 at 16:12
Originally posted by colorofmoney91 colorofmoney91 wrote:

This sounds like an awful idea :(

It IS an awful idea!!  

I wouldn't have bothered to post it, except the source was Rolling Stone (instead of some Yes fanboy website someplace). 

Yes is struggling to fill seats in gambling casino theaters, so I don't think their "residency" would last very long at all.  

What a strange, slow death that band is having!!  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2012 at 16:51
This sounds like an awful idea :(
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2012 at 16:07
If I'm not wrong Moraz suited Yes but got only a small fraction of what his lawyers were asking.
Extremely unlikely that they would play together again, but money is a powerful tool...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2012 at 14:33
Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

I don't know how I feel about this, but I'm picturing Jon Anderson fronting Yes, with Wakeman, Moraz, and Kaye all playing keys Approve

Ha!  Good one!  

I'm wondering if Squire saw a performance of "Jersey Boys" and envisioned a hit musical like that, centered around Yes??  Or perhaps a reprise of "Beatlemania", featuring Yes??


Upon reflection, a musical based on The Who might be a bit more interesting!   They appeared at Woodstock & were more central to events in society than Yes was.  

Whatever, this is just another scheme by Squire to drum up some cash flow!  
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I don't know how I feel about this, but I'm picturing Jon Anderson fronting Yes, with Wakeman, Moraz, and Kaye all playing keys Approve
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2012 at 13:46
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,
 
I don't think so ... and I doubt it ... YES has become the ugliest thing on this earth in terms of members and what not, and the way that these folks are hired hands for an evening and they can not get a cent off the music they helped create. Folks like Patrick Moraz got seriously robbed, and unfairly so, even when we talk about that album so fondly! But the real problem was that the original person they wanted (Vangelis) couldn't make it and was not going to learn their earlier material that easily ... and neither was he going to be able to learn TFTO and neither was Patrick going to learn all this ... in fact, I don't think I have heard or seen any concerts with Patrick at all! It might have played some of the earlier and easier material but I doubt any parts of TFTO were ever done with anyone else.
 
The whole thing has gotten so ugly ... that I have lost my taste of YES ... and Relayer remains the last thing I enjoy listening to.

Thank you for this, M!  Once I knew the truth about how Moraz was treated, I listen to "Relayer" in a different light.  There are always two sides to every argument, but the story Patrick relays is rather chilling....doesn't give me much hope that he'd join Squire on Broadway!!  


- Were you forced to leave or parting company was friendly?

Unfortunately, I was forced to leave. And even though, at the time, the split "was not made to appear acrimonious", I suffered extremely and extensively. To be "asked to leave" so suddenly put me in a lot of turmoil and disturbance. The fact is, I was never compensated for anything. I never ever got paid for any of my tour participation in the extremely successful and extensive YES Tour of 1976, which comprised about 65 concerts, many of them in front of sold-out audiences of more than 100,000 people. After all, as a member of the band, I was entitled to a 20% cut from what the band was getting.

I don't like to dwell into negatives, however, I can tell you that I had absolutely no desire to want to leave YES, at the time, in November of 1976. We had just finished the biggest tour YES had ever done, the "Bicentennial Tour", a huge, extremely successful tour for YES. Somehow, it had been decided that we would go and record, in my own country, Switzerland, what became the album "Going for the One", which we had extensively composed, developed and rehearsed during the course of 1976 (and even before that). There was no reason in the world for me to want to leave the band! Also, I understood, much later, that Rick was already in town, with his own crew, when I was still in the group, and I was still part of YES.

In addition, it was an extremely complicated and difficult situation for me to be stranded, on the street, with my baby daughter who was only one-month old and her mother, without any transport or money, in the cold winter of Switzerland. Then the fight for survival to stay alive, it all became surreal.

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Hi,
 
I don't think so ... and I doubt it ... YES has become the ugliest thing on this earth in terms of members and what not, and the way that these folks are hired hands for an evening and they can not get a cent off the music they helped create. Folks like Patrick Moraz got seriously robbed, and unfairly so, even when we talk about that album so fondly! But the real problem was that the original person they wanted (Vangelis) couldn't make it and was not going to learn their earlier material that easily ... and neither was he going to be able to learn TFTO and neither was Patrick going to learn all this ... in fact, I don't think I have heard or seen any concerts with Patrick at all! It might have played some of the earlier and easier material but I doubt any parts of TFTO were ever done with anyone else.
 
The whole thing has gotten so ugly ... that I have lost my taste of YES ... and Relayer remains the last thing I enjoy listening to.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2012 at 09:41
Originally posted by Evolver Evolver wrote:

"Yes On Broadway" had some fine music, but I was really put off by the nude scene near the end.
                                     - The Village Voice

Perhaps he didn't like Steve Howe's wurm.
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