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    Posted: April 18 2013 at 15:29
Another interesting number is "Alone Again Or" from the Lights Out album (1977) (originally by the US band Love).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGThk_5vI0w
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Points: 4411 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 11 2013 at 05:43
Think I'll draw a conclusion in a few days.

I'd like to sum up the position and display in one post all the good points for inclusion in prog-related.


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Points: 4411 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 11 2013 at 02:36
That's quite clear they are not a prog band.

In their first period (1970-1972) they played space rock (this is the opinion of many reviewers and what the band itself intended at the time, no matter how good is that first output - I personally don't like very much).

Then they went to change direction into hard territories as they changed guitarist and label.

On the other hand we try now to understand how acceptable is a prog-related inclusion. I mean prog-related, so we all know it is not a progressive rock subgenre according to the rules of this site.

Did you listen to the tracks I linked in this thread?

Many of them are somehow pleasantly suprising...


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UFO? Great band.
 
But hard rock, not prog.
 
Now Lone Star - that's a diifferent matter.
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Points: 4411 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2013 at 17:10
This is the wonderful Long Gone, from The Wild, The Willing and The Innocent album (1981). Great intro and superb ending... thanks Paul Buckmaster for the orchestral arrangements.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-DOrM6IAG4


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Points: 4411 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2013 at 16:45
This one has no keyboards but reminds me of italian band Jumbo (although Phil Mogg is no Alvaro Fella eheheh).

It's Space Child from Phenomenon (1974).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3Y0M-bs-rs




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Points: 4411 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2013 at 16:27
I love the dreamy keys of Danny Peyronell, acoustic guitar, mellotron and slow solos of Schenker. This is Belladonna from the No Heavy Petting album (1976).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnrTkWelwHA


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Points: 8138 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 08 2013 at 15:41
Originally posted by stegor stegor wrote:


On the other hand, Flying (One Hour Space Rock), I would call prog, but I can't stand it. Ironic.


same here, and unfortunately, in a similar way, I also would say prog Journey is very lame compared to AOR Journey.


Edited by lucas - April 08 2013 at 15:42
"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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Points: 4411 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 08 2013 at 14:58
I see your point. The first output of the band is not where to start with. Personally I prefer the Chapman years to the more celebrated Schenker era.

I agree also with the first part of your post: I listen to music I like no matter what genre. And I like UFO a lot.

Prog related is only a fictio; it is not a true kind of music. We use the term here for the sake of completeness.

It is not a meaningless word, though. We need evidence in music or in musicians.

Here' another interesting number from the Making Contact wonderful album (1983): When It's Time To Rock.

It's not only an anthemic hard rock song; I listen to some proto-progmetal in the middle section.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwxipYRhou8

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Points: 2052 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 07 2013 at 23:25
I loved UFO (and Scorpions) back in the '70's, but not because they were Prog or Prog related, just because they were an awesome melodic hard rock band with excellent musicianship and songwriting and performance skills. They veered into Prog a bit here and there (Love to Love (despite it's title), Martian Landscape and a few others), but not enough in my opinion.

On the other hand, Flying (One Hour Space Rock), I would call prog, but I can't stand it. Ironic.
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Points: 4411 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2013 at 15:50
ehe he heh

now we've found two arguments for their desired inclusion in prog-related:

1) their first 2 studio records (UFO e UFO 2 - Flying) plus their first LIVE.
2) their influence on the development of prog metal (it means for their records from Phenomenon on).

I think both are correct and fair even if the latter is more in the field of personal opinion than in the field of objectiveness.




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Points: 8138 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2013 at 16:11
Originally posted by Windhawk Windhawk wrote:

Originally posted by Gooner Gooner wrote:

Definitely the first 3 UFO albums.
 
If Rainbow is on PA...so should UFO. (prog related)


Rainbow's case - at least as I see it - is a tad different. You can draw their distinct influence on to Rising Force/Malmsteen and on to Symphony X. A distinct influence on the formation of progressive metal as a style. While I wouldn't have minded seeing UFO here due to their first albums, I can't really see an argument for them in the same manner as for Rainbow.


UFO were a major influence on Steve Harris, and Iron Maiden in general. And as everyone knows, maiden were essential in the development of prog metal.
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Originally posted by Gooner Gooner wrote:

Definitely the first 3 UFO albums.
 
If Rainbow is on PA...so should UFO. (prog related)


Rainbow's case - at least as I see it - is a tad different. You can draw their distinct influence on to Rising Force/Malmsteen and on to Symphony X. A distinct influence on the formation of progressive metal as a style. While I wouldn't have minded seeing UFO here due to their first albums, I can't really see an argument for them in the same manner as for Rainbow.
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Originally posted by Gooner Gooner wrote:

Definitely the first 3 UFO albums.
 
If Rainbow is on PA...so should UFO. (prog related)

Fair point, and one which is difficult to argue with. Having said that, you could make the same argument for a slew of hard and classic rock acts from the 70's & 80's, in which case we would turn into the ProgClassicHeavyHard Archives.
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Points: 312 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2013 at 12:16
Definitely the first 3 UFO albums.
 
If Rainbow is on PA...so should UFO. (prog related)


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Points: 4411 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 04 2013 at 14:41
This another one I love: "Martian Landscape" from No Heavy Petting (1976). Dreamy keys.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg9l2419HKw
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Points: 4411 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2013 at 16:21
... from the very same album another gem with mellotron sound (and acoustic guitar): "High Flyer".
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Points: 4411 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2013 at 16:18
This is a great and interesting number. Strong Zep's influence and a good mellotron in the second part.

"This Kid's (incl. Between the Walls)" from Force It (1975).
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Points: 4411 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2013 at 07:15
^^^

I agree. Psych/space wouldn't be suitable for them 'cause their earlier stuff is not very representative of their hard/rock - proto/metal style. Further interesting proggy sparkles can be heard here and there in their Crysalis years, btw.

So, prog-related should be the (correct) classification.


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Points: 14258 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 02 2013 at 18:39
Great to see this thread again. UFO could have been placed in PR but nothing more. Related to Prog at least but hard rock is more suited as they didnt explore the more proggy territory fully. They appear on prog compilations often though.
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