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Slartibartfast
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Topic: Best Vinyl Record Player Posted: July 10 2011 at 07:11 |
My original set up for making computer copies was to run the turntable into an old amp with a phono input, take the double line out from that and connect it to a Y that combined those into a single stereo plug in that I could pop into sound card line in. Worked quite well until the amp died.
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Dean
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Posted: July 09 2011 at 18:43 |
Firstly - don't use the mic input of the PC (that's the pink 3.5mm socket) - that is designed for microphone use and in some PCs is mono, not stereo - the sensitivity of that input is far too high and it will be very difficult to set the receiver volume control low enough to prevent distortion.
It is much better to use the light-blue Audio Line Input (also called the Analogue Line Input) - this is designed for connecting to the Line-Out of most audio peripherals so is less sensitive (and guaranteed stereo).
The headphone output of a receiver is capable of producing more volts than is needed for the line-in so it is important that the volume control is set to minimum and then gradually increased so that optimum levels are achieved (ie no distortion) - if you were intending to do this on a regular basis then I'd suggest modifying the cable with two resistors to attenuate the signal.
However, the best way is not to use the headphone output but to use the line-out or tape-out of the receiver as this is better matched to the line input of the PC. Edited by Dean - July 09 2011 at 18:47 |
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TheGazzardian
Prog Reviewer Joined: August 11 2009 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 8696 |
Posted: July 09 2011 at 16:53 |
Question for those who know, I'm guessing Dean:
Is there a sound quality hit if, instead of using a USB turntable, you take a headphone to headphone type wire, plug it into the headphone out of your receiver, and into the mic in of your computer?
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Dean
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Posted: July 05 2011 at 07:38 |
Audio Cleaning Lab seems to be a reasonable piece of software for de-clicking and de-scratching - I bought a cheap copy (version 10) for about $10 off Amazon - it works well and I'm not sure whether paying the extra for the latest version (version 17) is going to gain much more than a few extra gimicks that you probably won't use.
If all you want to do is seperate the audio into tracks then Audacity is free and simple and will allow you to do a whole lot more in terms of sound editing etc.
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Slartibartfast
Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
Posted: July 05 2011 at 06:53 |
My first one was a plastic fold up doohickey with speakers on the side. It had a reasonable sound quality and I was still using it when I got into prog. My second was a used Dual in a real wood frame. That was sweet. I went for a long spell without ever playing a record and finally got a Denon, which I am not totally happy with because you have to manually drop the needle if you want to hit a specific track. I used it to copy some out of print LPs digitally to make CDs. There's some relatively inexpensive software called Audio Cleaning Lab I used to suppress scratch noises and break what I recorded into tracks. All the stuff I copied I went audio to audio (no USB). The Denon does have a preamp switch. The old amp I was using it with died and it went idle for a while. I recently did get a USB interface but the turntable belt appears to have worn out as it doesn't stick to speed. We'll see how that works out in the next couple of months or so when I get a replacement. I found my wife's old turntable in storage (we're clearing out a unit). I may have to try that one out.
Dean's advice sounds solid. I suspect all in ones would tend to be shoddy. Edited by Slartibartfast - July 05 2011 at 06:57 |
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Dean
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Posted: July 05 2011 at 02:03 |
Personally I wouldn't get an "all-in-one" - the phono preamp and ADC converter in turntables with built-in USB interfaces will be of indeterminate quality and you won't be able to upgrade them. I'd buy separate turntable, phono preamp and USB interface - this initial set-up doesn't need to be expensive, but it does mean you can start with a good quality turntable, a reasonable phono-amp (or just use your Hi-Fi Amp) and a cheap USB interface (or just use the Audio-in on your PC - that's going to be as good as an Ion for example) and then work up.
While I don't need to replace either my Thorens or my QED turntables, I've always liked the Pro-ject Debut III turntable and would probably buy one of those if I had to replace one of my exisiting ones. The Debut-III is also available with a built-in USB interface Mark (Cert1) has one and has recommended it in the past - though as I say, I'd do it all in seperates myself.
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The Truth
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Posted: July 05 2011 at 00:06 |
Thanks guys, I'll check out each one and see which I like best. And then I'll try to rack up some dough for it.
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TheGazzardian
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Posted: July 04 2011 at 20:35 |
Unfortunately those might be problems with most USB turntables. Most ones I've seen that come with software come with Audacity, which is actually a free open-source software package that is actually quite good, but not designed specifically for working with vinyl. There are tools in it of course that work with vinyl but there is so much more to it that the interface can be hard to get used to. Even having used it before I got my USB turntable, it took me a couple of vinyls before I really had the feel for it. As for the pops, what most USB turntables do is basically just have a USB-Microphone output, so what the needle hears your computer will hear.
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Catcher10
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Posted: July 04 2011 at 17:21 |
Here is the one I purchased last year. It has had some very good reviews especially when it was introduced at CES 2 yrs ago. I wanted USB and this one has built in preamp so you can also use as line in if your amp/receiver does not have phono inputs. Its modeled after the classic Technics SL1200 series turntables, its very heavy which I like in turntables. My only complaint is the cartdridge included tracks at a heavy 3-5grams...so you might want to get another one. I just ordered a new cartridge....The supplied one is excellent though, it is made for DJ'ing.
The supplied ripping software is Audacity, which is tough to get used to, its complicated but nice. I have always used Groove Mechanic, which to me has the better vinyl repair options like hiss/rumble/pop eliminator. |
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Sheavy
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Posted: July 04 2011 at 14:55 |
The software that came with it was not very good at all. It was hard to figure, you have to fiddle with the sound volume way too much, and after the third try of converting Tarkus to cd, I gave up on it. It also says that there is a easy way to split the sides into their respective tracks, but I never figured that out either.
It works fine for just playing records through you computer, but the problem I had was the converting sound picked up on the pops of the needle, and drowned at the music, and other times the music was to loud and overpowering. Again it is great for just playing, it really has amazing sound quality.
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TheGazzardian
Prog Reviewer Joined: August 11 2009 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 8696 |
Posted: July 04 2011 at 14:45 |
Sheavey: what problems does that one have? It looks like it has the standard USB turntable features, which are always more hassle than ripping CDs.
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Sheavy
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Posted: July 04 2011 at 14:32 |
This is what I have. I highly recommend it.
Unless you are looking for something to convert LP's to MP3's. It is very complicated anf finnicky. Edit: Nvm. I see you want something you can easily rip. This has great quality, but it is a pain in the ass to try to rip stuff to your computer
Edited by Sheavy - July 04 2011 at 14:38 |
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Evolver
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Posted: July 04 2011 at 14:03 |
I have an Ion turntable.
It sounds great, comes with good software. And I can plug another device through it, so I can rip from tapes as well.
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Trust me. I know what I'm doing.
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TheGazzardian
Prog Reviewer Joined: August 11 2009 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 8696 |
Posted: July 04 2011 at 12:58 |
I recommend not getting a Crosley. It's what I have and it's sufficient, I even like it because it has a built in CD and Tape player and speakers ... but it doesn't really have any proper way to connect to good speakers, and its speakers kind of suck.
Probably better to get a USB turntable that's stand-alone and you can connect to your own speakers.
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The Truth
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Posted: July 04 2011 at 12:47 |
Since my old one is broken and apparently non-fixable I'm looking for a really cool new turntable that has a great sound, can rip to the computer, is fairly small and not too expensive.
I haven't bought one, the one I had is a hand-me-down, so I'm kind of new when it comes to buying them. If I'm being too specific go ahead and just tell which one you think is best. Thanks guys. - The Truth |
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