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Posted: December 11 2017 at 13:56
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
verslibre wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Rock has to be free, not an instrument of propaganda.
Rock isn't truly free if there are guidelines to lyric-writing one must adhere to. ;)
There should not be guidelines, but turning rock to propaganda, kills it.
If you go by the hard definition of propaganda, that rules out a lot of bands, whether they're singing about God, the devil, the IRA, sleeping with lots of women or how thuggin' it on the streets is the best way to live.
My advice is listen to instrumental music! Much to like there. (:
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Posted: December 11 2017 at 12:16
verslibre wrote:
Rednight wrote:
If CPR has anything to do with the Trinity Broadcasting Network, hell no!
If I were Kerry, I would have never gone on The 700 Club or any show of that sort. They shouldn't have grilled Kerry over anything he did before he became a Christian. That itself is very in-Christian. And it's in line with televangelism, which I despise.
I'm 100% sure that Pat Robertson didn't had a clue about who Kerry was 10 minutes before the program.
He probably only knew Kansas for Dust in the Wind.
At the end...What can you expect from a guy who says Rock is used to summon demons:
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - December 11 2017 at 12:19
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Posted: December 11 2017 at 11:42
verslibre wrote:
Rednight wrote:
If CPR has anything to do with the Trinity Broadcasting Network, hell no!
If I were Kerry, I would have never gone on The 700 Club or any show of that sort. They shouldn't have grilled Kerry over anything he did before he became a Christian. That itself is very un-Christian. And it's in line with televangelism, which I despise.
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Posted: December 11 2017 at 11:41
Rednight wrote:
If CPR has anything to do with the Trinity Broadcasting Network, hell no!
If I were Kerry, I would have never gone on The 700 Club or any show of that sort. They shouldn't have grilled Kerry over anything he did before he became a Christian. That itself is very in-Christian. And it's in line with televangelism, which I despise.
I don't think there is something like "Christian Progressive Rock": a musical genre is defined by the music, not by the lyrical content. Moreover, the major part of the parallel subculture of so-called "Christian music" overlooks progressive rock - deliberately. They do not - or hardly - regard Neal Morse (preachy) or Iona (not preachy) as some of their own.
I was christened in 1965 - but obviously that wasn't my choice as I was four months old! - My cultural up-bringing had strong christian influences - My mother became born-again at the age of her retirement and her best friend is a female cleric......But.....I am with Ivan all the way - preachy lyrics are awful, but perhaps I should merely find them amusing - like some of the awful satanist lyrics of thrash metal I used to listen to as a teenager - I grew out of it and just find those lyrics comical. Some people say early Rush lyrics are crypto-facist - I don't subscribe to that opinion at all.
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Posted: December 10 2017 at 21:51
Now to the point.
I'm a Catholic and forv that reason a Christian, but I don't agree with Christian Rock, in the same way I wouldn't like a Prog song made to suppotrt a candidate
I love spiritual lyrics, but in the moment they tell somebody "You have to believe in this", it changes from a rock song to a jingle.
I love the music of Silvio Rodriguez, but I don't listen it, because it's created to support the Castro regimen in Cuba, he lives like a king while people starve.
Rock has to be free, not an instrument of propaganda.
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Posted: December 10 2017 at 21:41
The Dark Elf wrote:
Kerry Livgren and Kansas were very much a Christian-oriented prog band. The lyrics were thoughtful and very spiritual. My thought is that most people listening to songs like "Dust in the Wind" or "The Wall" were completely unaware of the Christian themes therein. But they sang along anyway.
Not correct, Dust in the Wind and The Wall have nothing to do with Christianity
Let's go to the facts:
1.- Kerry became a Christian in July 1979
CS [Cornerstone Magazine]: To begin, could you tell us exactly how you became a Christian?
KL: I've always been a very religious person, although at this point I didn't know which one to believe in and I dabbled in about every Eastern religion you could think of. I sort of moved from one thing to another, from Hinduism, Baba Ram Dass, Zen; finally I ended up in a... belief centered on the Urantia Book. At that point I thought I had really found the answer.
...
But I did do that a few days later, in a hotel room - in Indianapolis, Indiana, about 3 o'clock in the morning. And the moment I did that, the Spirit swept me like a flood and I cried like a baby. I knew I'd really found the Lord.
2.- Dust in the Wind is from 1977 and The Wall is from 1976.
3.- In 1980 or 1981, he was invited to the 700 Club, and they attacked him for the lyrics of Dust in the Wind, he said that in 1977 he was some sort of Budhist and he believed we were dust in the wind and an that when he died, everything would be over.
As a fact, Steve Walsh made fun of him
K2K: ... and had come upon the realization that "Dust In The Wind, lyrically, was bulls*** because it was anti-Christian, and the fact expressed was that we really are nothing and there is no God and we're just dust in the wind.
SW: Oh man, he was on the 700 Club and they grilled him. It was embarrassing. Oh, it was Pat Robertson sitting right across from Kerry and he said that exact thing. "If you're a Born-Again Christian, how could you write this?" I was sitting there watching it thinking, "S***, I sure am glad that I'm not sitting there."
K2K: But he wrote that before he became Born Again, didn't he?
SW: Yes.
4.- Later he became a follower of the Book of Urantia and just after that a Christian.
5.- Kansas only recorded his first Christian song in Audio Visions in 1980 ad it was "Hold on".
6.- This was enough for Steve Walsh who left the band saying he didn't agree.
K2K: So is that part of the reason why he quit the band?
SW: The reason was that the lyrics were just getting... Kerry, at that point when he was writing "Dust In The Wind" and "The Wall" and "Carry On My Wayward Son" and all, he was on a journey, man. I was along because he wrote some great stuff. But, once he found himself, I just couldn't empathize with the salvation that he was trying to get me to put across to masses and masses of people. It just didn't fly.
http://www.kaos2000.net/interviews/stevewalsh/
7.- At this point, Kerry hired John Elefante (Another Born Again) and with Dave Hope (Who is part of the clergy now), they took control of the band and released the terrible Chrsistian Rock album "Vinyl Confessions", and that was enough for Robby who left the band.
8.- They released "Drastic Meassures" and it was a failure, Livegren and Hope formed AD and left the the band, leaving Phil Ehart and Rich Williams with contracts signed and a lot of debts (Very non-Christian), luckily Steve accepted to return when he knew that the fanatics had left and he brought his friend Billy Greer with him.
So, Kansas only was a Christian band during 1982 and 1983, when nobody cared for them.
All of their great themes were done when none of them even thought in becoming part of a Christian band.
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - December 10 2017 at 21:57
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Posted: September 16 2017 at 17:39
verslibre wrote:
YESESIS,
Up in the Appreciation forum we've got a Twelfth Night thread.
TN were led on two studio albums and one live album by the sorely missed Geoff Mann, one of the best vocalists and lyricists with which the world at large is unfamiliar.
After TN, Geoff fronted a couple namesake bands (A Geoff Mann Band, Eh! Geoff Mann Band) and one called The Bond, and also performed solo. These were all Christian prog/rock bands (The Bond was more straightforward).
Here's a great song from Loud Symbols. an album by A Geoff Mann Band.
I have this album and Second Chant too!... It's a shame Geoff Mann died.
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It's a shame Geoff Mann died.