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Topic: The Grateful Dead for Prog Related Posted: January 04 2017 at 17:47
I've long wanted there to be an album-based category like, or a part of, Various Artists for albums deemed Prog by artists that are considered problematic due to discography concerns. Two of my faves for such a category have been William Sheller's Lux Aeterna and Donald Byrd's Electric Byrd. That would be a pretty easy thing to implement, although it could be problematic.
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Posted: January 04 2017 at 16:53
siLLy puPPy wrote:
^ i'm struggling over it actually.
BTW, has there ever been discussion towards the "every album" inclusion of discographies? Maybe now that the site has grown perhaps albums like Judas Priest's Nostradamus could be included without including every other non-prog album. I understand that would entail an individual labeling practice for each and every album but something that would make the site a tad truer to its objectives IMHO
Yes, many years ago. If memory serves, categorically rejected due to required massive database overhaul. I was one who thought (and continues to be thinkin) it a good idea...but very much understanding the difficulty it would entail.
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Posted: January 01 2017 at 19:26
Oh forgotten to say ... they've been rejected before I got to be an Admin, and I consider (as an Admin who follows ex-Admins' footsteps) they cannot be added ... sincerely.
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Posted: January 01 2017 at 19:05
^ i'm struggling over it actually.
BTW, has there ever been discussion towards the "every album" inclusion of discographies? Maybe now that the site has grown perhaps albums like Judas Priest's Nostradamus could be included without including every other non-prog album. I understand that would entail an individual labeling practice for each and every album but something that would make the site a tad truer to its objectives IMHO
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Posted: January 01 2017 at 18:53
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Otherwise i'm voting yes for Kitaro
You totally SHOULD vote yes for Kitaro! His first few albums are real deal prog-electronic discs as worthy of inclusion as many artists under that banner on here, even if they are gentle discs (but there's a MASSIVE difference between `gentle electronic' and `wishy washy overly pretty New-Age')
By similar logic, Judas Priest should be here for their very prog album "Nostradamus" but that is the only thing that even comes close to progressive in their 40 year career ...
The late 70s trio of Sad Wings Of Destiny, Sin After Sin and Stained Class would be to differ.
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Posted: January 01 2017 at 14:27
siLLy puPPy wrote:
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By similar logic, Judas Priest should be here for their very prog album "Nostradamus" but that is the only thing that even comes close to progressive in their 40 year career ...
The late 70s trio of Sad Wings Of Destiny, Sin After Sin and Stained Class would be to differ.
He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball!
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Posted: January 01 2017 at 13:52
Don't suppose there could be a seperate 'heading' (much like 'Various Artists') that could include 'Prog Albums by Non-Prog Artists' whereby only the select odd albums by certain bands can be included without the inclusion of the band's entire discography ?? Would certainly garner some sort of interest ?
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Posted: January 01 2017 at 11:22
^ i totally agree. As much as i love Priest, they don't belong here. There was talk on MMA to add Jethro Tull because they won an award for best metal album and i just don't think they belong there. While i do think Priest's one album would surely qualify them for inclusion if they were unknown and was their only album, because of their huge popularity as a NWOBHM band, i would strongly frown against it. I would vehementally oppose the Grateful Dead being here as well. They may have a few proggy influences here and there but there is nothing that i've heard that warrants them being here.
Having said that, there is a whole list of artists i would weed out from here myself even the ones that are some of my favorite artists (Coil, Kate Bush, Triumph etc) but this site has much more consistent good quality and those are the little blips that i don't get worked up about.
In short, please no Dead, pleeeease? Otherwise i'm voting yes for Kitaro
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Posted: January 01 2017 at 10:42
^ An ex-Admin told me as much years ago. Said that the "one album" thing is really a product of Max's early desire to get the site rolling. He felt that now established, the site should really expect long time "legacy" artists to have more prog than one album to be added. I took that advice on in my later years collaborating. I think we should expect more than one prog album, unless that album is spectacular and simply MUST be on PA.
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Posted: January 01 2017 at 10:25
Should there be a new policy? Maybe an artist has to have a certain percentage of prog albums?
By similar logic, Judas Priest should be here for their very prog album "Nostradamus" but that is the only thing that even comes close to progressive in their 40 year career We'll all be screaming for vengeance if that happens
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Posted: January 01 2017 at 02:54
Well they're not here yet, and though I lean towards consideration I would respect others' views and frankly am not married to the idea. They were not art rock but if I see Bob Weir around town I'll ask if they considered themselves progressive rock. He'll probably start laughing uncontrollably.
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Posted: January 01 2017 at 00:18
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Uh-oh. Times are a changin'.
This is an inevitable consequence of adding bands that are incrementally further separated from Prog than the previous band. There is only six degrees of separation between ItCotCK and every other album ever recorded - Grateful Dead run between 4 and 5 degrees. Welcome to the All Music Archives.
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Posted: December 31 2016 at 23:12
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The New Zealand band DRAGON, initially released 2 PROG albums then a plethora of A.O.R. afterwards. They aren't here. Just checked - they ARE here Wow.
Bwahaha! Tom, I'm just as surprised as you, I think I checked around the site only a few weeks back (looking at that Dragon band we liked from Belgium) and I was sure I didn't notice the NZ band, but from the looks of it, they've been on the site for almost two years now! Clearly it's us Aussies that are the sleepiest!
Edited by Aussie-Byrd-Brother - December 31 2016 at 23:13
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Posted: December 31 2016 at 22:59
^ One of the reasons that's an important guideline is because, even at its height in the 1970s, prog rock was both predominant and uncommon compared to the commercial song market, and so any band that released a prog record is significant and worthy of documentation. The fact that later they may have gone in a different direction is irrelevant.
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Posted: December 31 2016 at 22:23
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Tom Ozric wrote:
As good as the GD are, with their MASSIVE library of work, only few albums are Progressive. It wouldn't work to included them here, much as I wouldn't mind.
The trouble with this statement, Tom, is that they only need the one progressive rock album to qualify
The New Zealand band DRAGON, initially released 2 PROG albums then a plethora of A.O.R. afterwards. They aren't here. Just checked - they ARE here Wow.
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