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Topic: zappa blows petrucci away... Posted: June 15 2005 at 18:45 |
stonebeard wrote:
perhaps my post was a not all that well thought out...but i am confused as to why zappa isn't as thoroughly talked about on the forums as petrucci. i love petrucci and DT's music (personally, i think its very emotional, sweeping, and grandoise). however, i still maintain that he is very similar to other metal guitarists whereas zappa was a complete innovator and mastermind of musical concepts not to mention orchestration and other instruments besides the guitar.
maybe i am comparing apples to oranges or maybe i'm just pissed off that octavarium wasn't all that i hoped it would be....
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Well I like Zappa too (what I've heard), but Petrucci is now and they have a new album out, so he's bound to be discussed (or just cussed)more!
I think also that Octavarium is rather average too BTW
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Posted: June 15 2005 at 18:09 |
stonebeard wrote:
perhaps my post was a not all that well thought out...but i am confused as to why zappa isn't as thoroughly talked about on the forums as petrucci. i love petrucci and DT's music (personally, i think its very emotional, sweeping, and grandoise). however, i still maintain that he is very similar to other metal guitarists whereas zappa was a complete innovator and mastermind of musical concepts not to mention orchestration and other instruments besides the guitar.
maybe i am comparing apples to oranges or maybe i'm just pissed off that octavarium wasn't all that i hoped it would be....
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Octavarium is quite good ... but I guess it's never enough for most fans. Anyway, I'm glad that they neither made another ToT nor a Metropolis III.
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stonebeard
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Posted: June 15 2005 at 18:05 |
perhaps my post was a not all that well thought out...but i am confused as to why zappa isn't as thoroughly talked about on the forums as petrucci. i love petrucci and DT's music (personally, i think its very emotional, sweeping, and grandoise). however, i still maintain that he is very similar to other metal guitarists whereas zappa was a complete innovator and mastermind of musical concepts not to mention orchestration and other instruments besides the guitar.
maybe i am comparing apples to oranges or maybe i'm just pissed off that octavarium wasn't all that i hoped it would be....
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NetsNJFan
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Posted: June 15 2005 at 17:59 |
what a silly thread. they are both ridiculously talented and play in very different genres and styles.
having said that, I'd take Steve Howe, David Gilmour, Steve Hackett or Allan Holdsworth over both any day.
you can't just go out and Attahk Petrucci for no reason, its all taste.
"zappa on the other hand, was undeniably the most musically talented, somewhat mainstream, prog musician ever "
.............yea, ok, in your opinion.
Edited by NetsNJFan
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Posted: June 15 2005 at 17:58 |
goose wrote:
Are you saying no one could distinguish Petrucci from say
Chuck Shuldiner (RIP)? Or Van Halen? Or Jarzombek? Or whichever
of Jason Gobel/Paul Masvida did more guitars in Cynic? That's
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Yeah. What that guy said.
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Bang, bang, Maxwell's silver hammer
Came down upon her head
Bang, bang, Maxwell's silver hammer
Made sure that she was dead
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Man Overboard
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Posted: June 15 2005 at 15:48 |
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goose
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Posted: June 15 2005 at 15:47 |
Apologies, I'm feeling a bit schizophrenic before my physics exam tomorrow .
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goose
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Posted: June 15 2005 at 15:46 |
God man, if you put oranges in today we'll be putting Mariah Carey in tomorrow!
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goose
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Posted: June 15 2005 at 15:46 |
Well, Radiohead are, so why can't oranges be?!
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goose
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Posted: June 15 2005 at 15:46 |
Poll: Should oranges be in the archives?
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Man Overboard
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Posted: June 15 2005 at 15:44 |
Bloody w**ker!! Oranges are what it's all about! You just
aren't smart enough to understand what true prog is!
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Posted: June 15 2005 at 15:43 |
So, which do you think are better? Apples or oranges? I'm in favour of apples, personally.
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Man Overboard
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Posted: June 15 2005 at 15:36 |
Not on the merits of which is a better apple or orange...
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Posted: June 15 2005 at 15:28 |
Ben2112 wrote:
As Syd Barrett would say:
Apples And Oranges |
And you can't compare those?
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Posted: June 15 2005 at 13:31 |
wrax wrote:
When Zappa wanted a shredder he called on Vai, in any case. |
Steve Vai and Mike Keneally were his "stunt guitarists". The greatest stunts being Approximate and Drowning Witch. I wonder how many people think that was played by Zappa ...
Speaking of Vai: Two of his archives albums are devoted exclusively to Zappa. One features the various songs he played with/for Zappa, the other one features Mike Keneally playing selected Zappa songs on the piano. GREAT stuff!
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Ben2112
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Posted: June 15 2005 at 12:23 |
As Syd Barrett would say:
Apples And Oranges
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wrax
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Posted: June 15 2005 at 12:18 |
Isn't it wonderful that our lives are enriched by two such gifted
musicians! How can you even compare the two guitarists?
They are just so different! It's like
comparing Steve Hackett with Steve Vai? They are just so
different and their style fits perfectly the sort of music they
play.
When Zappa wanted a shredder he called on Vai, in any case.
I defy anyone to listen to Zappa's "Watermelon in Easter Hay" (any version!) and not be moved....
I also defy anyone to listen to Dream Theater's "As I Am" and not get blown away by Petrucci's playing.
Vive la difference!
Edited by wrax
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LDGuy
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Posted: June 15 2005 at 11:59 |
Zappa was one of the largest influences on prog and techincal music,
but he didn't really set out to be real shredder - that side of guitar
was really yet to be seen until guys like Van Halen and Satch came
along in the eities. Petrucci, on the other hand is using many
different, areas of music, to create something technical, but probably
the only reason its original is because DT is a very technically
skilled band and they can achieve many things deemed impossible. I
think i would say (and i think they would to) that they aren't pushing
the boundaries of prog music except in a shredding sense (ie they're
not really truely original like Zappa was). But it's like comparing
chalk and cheese - there is no comparison at all.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: June 15 2005 at 10:27 |
Man Overboard wrote:
Petrucci has an extremely recognizable style. A few weeks ago, someone posted a clip of an unrecognized song, and I'd never heard it either, but after listening to it, I realized it was Petrucci's playing, so some research led to me realizing it was from his brand new solo album. So you're wrong on THAT count.
However, Zappa *does* blow him and many others away. Way to be ignorant about metal guitarists, though, many of them have very unique styles. Douche.
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Zappa owns other players as far as truely inventive improvising is concerned. His solos may seem like aimless noodling, but when you take a closer look you'll find that most of what he's playing really makes sense and is not just built from a collection of licks. Few other players manage that, maybe Hendrix, Jeff Beck and Scott Henderson (and others I may not know).
I agree that Petrucci is extremly recognizable. His alternate picking and sweeping are as unique as are his chords in clean passages.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: June 15 2005 at 10:05 |
I disagree with the thread topic. Zappa does not blow away Petrucci at all. In fact I prefer Petrucci to Zappa's aimless doodling!...
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