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    Posted: June 15 2005 at 18:45
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

perhaps my post was a not all that well thought out...but i am confused as to why zappa isn't as thoroughly talked about on the forums as petrucci. i love petrucci and DT's music (personally, i think its very emotional, sweeping, and grandoise). however, i still maintain that he is very similar to other metal guitarists whereas zappa was a complete innovator and mastermind of musical concepts not to mention orchestration and other instruments besides the guitar.

maybe i am comparing apples to oranges or maybe i'm just pissed off that octavarium wasn't all that i hoped it would be....

Well I like Zappa too (what I've heard), but Petrucci is now and they have a new album out, so he's bound to be discussed (or just cussed)more!

I think also that Octavarium is rather average too BTW

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2005 at 18:09
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

perhaps my post was a not all that well thought out...but i am confused as to why zappa isn't as thoroughly talked about on the forums as petrucci. i love petrucci and DT's music (personally, i think its very emotional, sweeping, and grandoise). however, i still maintain that he is very similar to other metal guitarists whereas zappa was a complete innovator and mastermind of musical concepts not to mention orchestration and other instruments besides the guitar.

maybe i am comparing apples to oranges or maybe i'm just pissed off that octavarium wasn't all that i hoped it would be....

Octavarium is quite good ... but I guess it's never enough for most fans. Anyway, I'm glad that they neither made another ToT nor a Metropolis III.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2005 at 18:05

perhaps my post was a not all that well thought out...but i am confused as to why zappa isn't as thoroughly talked about on the forums as petrucci. i love petrucci and DT's music (personally, i think its very emotional, sweeping, and grandoise). however, i still maintain that he is very similar to other metal guitarists whereas zappa was a complete innovator and mastermind of musical concepts not to mention orchestration and other instruments besides the guitar.

maybe i am comparing apples to oranges or maybe i'm just pissed off that octavarium wasn't all that i hoped it would be....

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2005 at 17:59

what a silly thread. they are both ridiculously talented and play in very different genres and styles.

having said that, I'd take Steve Howe, David Gilmour, Steve Hackett or Allan Holdsworth over both any day.

you can't just go out and Attahk Petrucci for no reason, its all taste.  

"zappa on the other hand, was undeniably the most musically talented, somewhat mainstream, prog musician ever "

.............yea, ok, in your opinion. 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2005 at 17:58
Originally posted by goose goose wrote:

Are you saying no one could distinguish Petrucci from say Chuck Shuldiner (RIP)? Or Van Halen? Or Jarzombek? Or whichever of Jason Gobel/Paul Masvida did more guitars in Cynic? That's absurd.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2005 at 15:48
  Don't make me get my daddy.  He's Rick Wakeman!  He knows what prog is.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2005 at 15:47
Apologies, I'm feeling a bit schizophrenic before my physics exam tomorrow .
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2005 at 15:46
God man, if you put oranges in today we'll be putting Mariah Carey in tomorrow!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2005 at 15:46
Well, Radiohead are, so why can't oranges be?!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2005 at 15:46
Poll: Should oranges be in the archives?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2005 at 15:44
Bloody w**ker!!  Oranges are what it's all about!  You just aren't smart enough to understand what true prog is!  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2005 at 15:43

So, which do you think are better? Apples or oranges? I'm in favour of apples, personally.

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2005 at 15:36
Not on the merits of which is a better apple or orange...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2005 at 15:28

Originally posted by Ben2112 Ben2112 wrote:

As Syd Barrett would say:

Apples And Oranges

And you can't compare those?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2005 at 13:31

Originally posted by wrax wrax wrote:

When Zappa wanted a shredder he called on Vai, in any case.

Steve Vai and Mike Keneally were his "stunt guitarists". The greatest stunts being Approximate and Drowning Witch. I wonder how many people think that was played by Zappa ...

Speaking of Vai: Two of his archives albums are devoted exclusively to Zappa. One features the various songs he played with/for Zappa, the other one features Mike Keneally playing selected Zappa songs on the piano. GREAT stuff!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2005 at 12:23
As Syd Barrett would say:

Apples And Oranges
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2005 at 12:18
Isn't it wonderful that our lives are enriched by two such gifted musicians!  How can you even compare the two guitarists?  They are just so different!  It's like comparing Steve Hackett with Steve Vai?  They are just so different and their style fits perfectly the sort of music they play. 

When Zappa wanted a shredder he called on Vai, in any case.

I defy anyone to listen to Zappa's "Watermelon in Easter Hay" (any version!) and not be moved....

I also defy anyone to listen to Dream Theater's "As I Am" and not get blown away by Petrucci's playing.

Vive la difference!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2005 at 11:59
Zappa was one of the largest influences on prog and techincal music, but he didn't really set out to be real shredder - that side of guitar was really yet to be seen until guys like Van Halen and Satch came along in the eities. Petrucci, on the other hand is using many different, areas of music, to create something technical, but probably the only reason its original is because DT is a very technically skilled band and they can achieve many things deemed impossible. I think i would say (and i think they would to) that they aren't pushing the boundaries of prog music except in a shredding sense (ie they're not really truely original like Zappa was). But it's like comparing chalk and cheese - there is no comparison at all. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2005 at 10:27

Originally posted by Man Overboard Man Overboard wrote:

Petrucci has an extremely recognizable style.  A few weeks ago, someone posted a clip of an unrecognized song, and I'd never heard it either, but after listening to it, I realized it was Petrucci's playing, so some research led to me realizing it was from his brand new solo album.  So you're wrong on THAT count.

However, Zappa *does* blow him and many others away.  Way to be ignorant about metal guitarists, though, many of them have very unique styles.  Douche. 

Zappa owns other players as far as truely inventive improvising is concerned. His solos may seem like aimless noodling, but when you take a closer look you'll find that most of what he's playing really makes sense and is not just built from a collection of licks. Few other players manage that, maybe Hendrix, Jeff Beck and Scott Henderson (and others I may not know).

I agree that Petrucci is extremly recognizable. His alternate picking and sweeping are as unique as are his chords in clean passages.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2005 at 10:05
I disagree with the thread topic. Zappa does not blow away Petrucci at all. In fact I prefer Petrucci to Zappa's aimless doodling!...
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