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Trotsky ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 25 2004 Location: Malaysia Status: Offline Points: 2771 |
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Thank you Paulindigo, thank you ... got some of the most crucial albums
include LDF ... great to know at least what themes some these guys are
singing about ...
ANd Fitzcarraldo ... I'll admit I do get frustrated with our local pop scene which has too many copycat bands (then again which pop scene doesn't) ... it's good to hear some enjoying it from the outside ... my personal favourite artistes are M.Nasir and Zainal Abidin ... both do a nice job of putting a world music feel (musing mainly Malaysian elements) behind the more formulaic Malay pop song ... |
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"Death to Utopia! Death to faith! Death to love! Death to hope?" thunders the 20th century. "Surrender, you pathetic dreamer.”
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tuxon ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 21 2004 Location: plugged-in Status: Offline Points: 5502 |
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I prefer the lyrics to be in a foreign language. English is a foreign language to me But lyrics in Dutch i find to be uninteresting, since the words seem banal, and simple, where lyrics in English maintain some mysticism and are not always easily understood, more effort goes into understanding the words, and their meaning, it get's me more focussed on the music aswel. Only a few Dutch artist have good lyrics IMO. Drs P, Jaap Fisher, Frank Boeijen Zeg dan ik hou van jou
Maar hij houdt niet van mij Zeg dan ik hou van hem Maar de schoft houdt niet van mij Zeg wat je wilt schat Ik ben het goed zat Zeg dan wat je wilt Ik hou van jou op mijn manier En is dat niet je eigen Hou dan van mij op mijn manier Of tracht me klein te krijgen Je hield van mij op mijn manier En dat was niet m'n eigen Tem me dan als je kan Je kan me toch niet krijgen Tem me dan als je kan Je kan me toch niet krijgen Tem me dan als je kan Want zo krijg je me nooit Nooit, je kan me toch niet krijgen Tem me dan als je kan Want zo krijg je me nooit We zijn bevriende mogendheden En als je straks bent overleden Hang ik de vlag uit zonder wrok Ik kijk niet op een halve stok We zijn bevriende mogendheden En als je straks wordt overreden Meld ik me als de dader aan Zoiets had iedereen gedaan Maar tem me dan als je kan Je kan me toch niet krijgen Tem me dan als je kan Want zo krijg je me nooit Als ik ooit terugkom Als ik ooit terugkom Als ik ooit terugkom Weet dan goed waarom ik terugkom Als ik ooit terugkom Als ik ooit terugkom Weet dan goed waarom Niet omdat je mooi bent want dat ben je niet Niet omdat je slim bent want dat ben je niet En niet omdat je koken kan dat kan je niet Maar alleen omdat ik geen ander weet Niet omdat je lief bent want dat ben je niet Niet omdat je flink bent want dat ben je niet Niet omdat je hersens hebt die heb je niet Maar alleen omdat ik geen ander weet Je bent een geestelijke sof Je bent een brok moreel verlof Je bent een halve nacht plezier Je bent manchet zonder het bier Oh, wil je dat ik je als mens behandel Samen met je door de straten wandel Klets van maneschijn en weet ik veel Het zal mijn zorg niet zijn Want we zijn bevriende mogendheden En als je straks bent overleden Hang ik de vlag uit zonder wrok Ik kijk niet op een halve stok En tem me dan als je kan Je kan me toch niet krijgen Tem me dan als je kan Want zo krijg je me nooit |
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goose ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 20 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 4097 |
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Syzygy ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 16 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 7003 |
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Magma, Sigur Ros and Ruins all sing in their own made up languages. Kraftwerk's albums include lyrics in Fench, Spanish, Italian and Japanese as well as English and their native German. PFM's English language albums lack a certain je ne sais quoi compared to the Italian originals, ditto the rather clumsy English lyrics that crop up on a lot of European rock music from the late 70s onwards. When you consider that Wagner's librettos were all in German (!), Verdi used Italian (d'oh!), Lorca's songs were written in Spanish (unbelievable but true!) and Jacques Brel and Serge Gainsbourg had the temerity to write in French, it's no wonder that nobody's ever heard of them. |
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I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
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DallasBryan ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 23 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3323 |
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Personally I find instrumentally the music to be a free portal to another culture, and this experience doesnt overshadow the need to convey an occultic or new age philosophy message(opposed to some adolescent fairy tale) that the the mystical preacher at the microphone is trying to sell or dilute your understanding of the choices of life! ![]() |
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Fitzcarraldo ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 30 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1835 |
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I enjoy listening to music with vocals in other languages (both those languages I understand and those I don't). In fact, I wish bands - such as Floating State (Italy) and Apocalypse (Brazil) - that sing in English would revert to using their native language. Some languages sound so beautiful to me, especially when they are used on top of music that contains instruments, traits or nuances typical of that country. By the way, Trotsky, I have a CD with the soundtrack of Silat Legenda. That's some really good Malay pop music! I heard a couple of tracks playing while I was browsing in a CD shop a few years back and liked it so much I asked the attendant what was playing - and bought the CD. Boleh!
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Trotsky ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 25 2004 Location: Malaysia Status: Offline Points: 2771 |
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I was about to say the same thing ... hilarious ... well done, Dan! Thanks for the link paulindigo, I'm headed there now ... Poxx aku pun berseteju dengan ingantan kawan-kawan lain, mais je crois que c'est seulement parce que, du hast keine mutaa, talar eelar mutrum, nayr nanacha (which is what you get when you send a Malaysian citizen of Indian descent to international schools ... |
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goose ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 20 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 4097 |
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Plus, every language sounds different - asking everyone to sing in the same language is like asking everyone to play the same model of keyboard or guitar.
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Eemu Ranta ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 26 2004 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 150 |
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![]() ![]() I believe that the troll is actually arguing that music should be created for the majority, rather than for oneself (or one's fellow countrymen). If this would be the case, his point according english lyrics would be valid. I see it more like this: Music is (well, should be) created by the composer for himself. We others ought to be very happy if we are allowed a glimpse of this personal treasure, not complaining for not understanding it. It is quite natural for everyone to write in his native language, be thee english, italian, swedish or mongolian. Personally, I find foreign lyrics to be a free portal to another culture, and this experience usually overshadows the need of understanding the message. For this reason I like a lot of folk music too (goose already mentioned Empyrium and Tenhi). |
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable - George Bernhard Shaw
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seabre ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() Joined: June 04 2005 Status: Offline Points: 84 |
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What? Almost everyone in The Mars Volta is Hispanic..and from their lyrics, they know it pretty well. At least Bixler-Zavala does anyway. If you want some translations of their Spanish into English I'll be happy to send them over. Idiot. ![]() |
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DallasBryan ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 23 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3323 |
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why do you think so many european artists recorded
in english or rerecorded in english during the early to mid 70's? the germans, with help from the french solved the problem in the latter 70's and many of the bands cranking out goodies in this time period polarized towards the instrumental expression, though progressive music was evolving into more synthesis and electronics during this period in some areas. hocus pocus by focus had a dramatic affect on the continental artists as the wordless vocals broke open the english speaking markets for record sales. ![]() this is fusion also! ![]() Edited by DallasBryan |
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Man Overboard ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 07 2004 Location: Austin, TX Status: Offline Points: 3830 |
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poxx, trolling while pretending to have some semblance of working grey matter is still trolling. It's not your foul language that's putting people off; I've among the foulest mouths to tread this ground but I still get my point across without being a bloody moron. Truth is, your "open mind is closed but firmly locked". Bonus iq points if you get the reference. Grow up. English may not have been this man's native language, but he had something to say about a man who believed America to be superior to any other nation: "Bush, for instance, doesn't seem to think at all, but, apparently, utterly unaware of Descartes, he simply refuses to see that he doesn't exist." - Daniel Gildenlow |
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con safo ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: March 17 2005 Status: Offline Points: 1230 |
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![]() i dont think much else can be said... the most ignorant posts i've read in a while. |
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goose ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 20 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 4097 |
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Do you have any higher qualifications in language to support that? Orwell for one certainly disagreed with you.
Can you cite anything for that?
PS If English is so wonderful, learn to spell "dependent" correctly, and how to form the verb "understand"... Edited by goose |
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DallasBryan ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 23 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3323 |
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Sure it is personal taste. If you notice many
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paulindigo ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 24 2005 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 490 |
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It sounds so...different (duh) and it's cool.
Ok, bad rationale. But some languages are so beautiful. [/QUOTE]YES! diversity, variety, complexity are necessary to music as well as to human existence |
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Arsillus ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 26 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 7374 |
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I like bands that sing in their native tongue ( Ok, bad rationale. But some languages are so beautiful. |
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paulindigo ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 24 2005 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 490 |
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[/QUOTE] Ideas aren't dependant on the language. Ideas are not words. mhh... that may be so in a Platonic world of ideas, but I believe things are slightly different in our sublunary world. Of course when I say dog in English and cane in Italian I am referring to the same animal species, but the two words have different etymologies, i.e. they have different stories and, most of all, they rhyme with different words and have different sounds. So if I want to translate something from one language to another I'll be able to keep the overall meaning of the text, but something will inevitably be lost. In the case of poems or song lyrics, this means that I'll probably have to get rid of some or all of the rhymes, I'll change the rhythm... which are very important elements in the creation of the meaning of a text. and what about wordplays? Ever tried to translate Dancing with the moonlight knight into Danish? of course you can, but you will also have to produce a page or two of footnotes to the text... there's a world behind words, how do you convey it from one language to another? I think this is one of the big problems with literary translation in particular and all types of translation in general, but a welcome problem In my opinion, because it deals with complexity and variety (the reasons why we like prog, uh?) hope all this blabber wasn't too high-brow.. ![]() |
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Poxx ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: April 03 2005 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 231 |
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Ideas aren't dependant on the language. Ideas are not words.
Yeah, no sh*t. It just so happens that English is something that most people will be able to understand. It is the international language. "But, Poxx, lol more people people speaks mandarin. lol". More people has mandarin as native langauge, than English, yes, but there are more people who understands English.. You nitwits should get a grip, it seems like you are offended by my foul language, but respond to it with inane babble that doesn't make any sense. |
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paulindigo ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 24 2005 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 490 |
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I'm afraid there's no single site for original lyrics, you'll have to google the whole 'net... this site has some translations http://www.arlequins.it/translations/translations.asp |
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