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Rabid 
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Posted: August 05 2010 at 14:53 |
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Quite ironic knowing how prog butter is. |
I love it on my crumpets !!
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Rabid
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Posted: August 05 2010 at 03:10 |
Nathaniel607 wrote:
It kind of annoys me when someone poo-poos an entire genre.
I haven't heard any punk I like, but I would never say all punk is crap. I can't. I haven't heard all punk!
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I have. It is. 
But thats the point......it was MEANT to be.
But then again.....is wearing tartan bondage trousers and sticking a safety-pin through your nose any less pretentious than wearing a cape?
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Rabid
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Posted: August 05 2010 at 03:00 |
Cactus Choir wrote:
B@gger! What a great line-up and I've missed it all, even though I get Sky Arts. Oh well it's Sky so hopefully it will all get repeated at some point. They've certainly shown the Pink Floyd at Alexandra Palace one before which I did manage to catch.
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Jethro Tull at the IOW is on right NOW..........most of these are repeated up to 12/08
Set ur video ! 
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Cactus Choir
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Posted: August 05 2010 at 02:24 |
Rabid wrote:
Not sure which other countries gets Sky Arts 1, but this week they've been showing :
The Moody Blues at the IOW*
ELP at the IOW
Pink Floyd at Alexandria Palace
Moog - Documentary featuring Wakeman, Vangelis, Emerson, etc.
Jethro Tull Live at the IOW
Jimi Hendrix at the IOW
Queen rock Montreal
The Beach Boys : Nashville
The Who at the IOW
Bryan Ferry : Dylanesque
The Beach Boys : Endless Harmony
John Entwistle : An Ox's Tale
Bjork : Volta Live in Paris
Eric Clapton : A Rockumentary
Hard Rock Calling 2010
Bjork : Volta Live in Reykjavic
Donavan : Sunshine Superman
The British Invasion : The Small Faces
Miles Davis : Different Kind of Blue
Montreux Years : 1991 - BB King / Ray Charles
A Journey Through American Music
Montreux Years : 1992 - Randy Crawford / Joan Armatrading
Montreux Years : 1993 - Fats Domino / Al Jarreau / Etta James
John Shuttleworth : It's Nice Up North
Loudquietloud - A Film about the Pixies
The Mick Fleetwood Story
*IOW = Isle of Wight
This is the reason I have'nt slept for a week.  |
B@gger! What a great line-up and I've missed it all, even though I get Sky Arts. Oh well it's Sky so hopefully it will all get repeated at some point. They've certainly shown the Pink Floyd at Alexandra Palace one before which I did manage to catch.
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"And now...on the drums...Mick Underwooooooooood!!!"
"He's up the pub"
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Rabid
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Posted: August 05 2010 at 02:08 |
Not sure which other countries gets Sky Arts 1, but this week they've been showing :
The Moody Blues at the IOW*
ELP at the IOW
Pink Floyd at Alexandria Palace
Moog - Documentary featuring Wakeman, Vangelis, Emerson, etc.
Jethro Tull Live at the IOW
Jimi Hendrix at the IOW
Queen rock Montreal
The Beach Boys : Nashville
The Who at the IOW
Bryan Ferry : Dylanesque
The Beach Boys : Endless Harmony
John Entwistle : An Ox's Tale
Bjork : Volta Live in Paris
Eric Clapton : A Rockumentary
Hard Rock Calling 2010
Bjork : Volta Live in Reykjavic
Donavan : Sunshine Superman
The British Invasion : The Small Faces
Miles Davis : Different Kind of Blue
Montreux Years : 1991 - BB King / Ray Charles
A Journey Through American Music
Montreux Years : 1992 - Randy Crawford / Joan Armatrading
Montreux Years : 1993 - Fats Domino / Al Jarreau / Etta James
John Shuttleworth : It's Nice Up North (includes his Casio Keboard epic 'Supper's Nearly Ready')
Loudquietloud - A Film about the Pixies
The Mick Fleetwood Story
Henry Miller : Asleep and Awake
*IOW = Isle of Wight
This is the reason I have'nt slept for a week.
Edited by Rabid - August 05 2010 at 02:54
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Nathaniel607
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Posted: August 04 2010 at 18:02 |
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It kind of annoys me when someone poo-poos an entire genre.
I haven't heard any punk I like, but I would never say all punk is crap. I can't. I haven't heard all punk!
Edited by Nathaniel607 - August 04 2010 at 18:03
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richardh
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Posted: August 02 2010 at 01:46 |
Kashmir75 wrote:
It's funny how when Yes or ELP reforms, its 'a bunch of old men, looking for their retirement fund'. But its OK when the Pistols reform? Punk is older now than prog rock was then, when punk tried to kill it!
As for 'dinosaur bands', same thing. If someone comes out now, and has Yes or Genesis influences, they are derided by the mainstream. But drag up those equally old Television/Clash/Pistols references, and it will be hailed a masterpiece.  |
The media (music critics+ tv/radio) always loved punk. Easy to program and easy to understand. It was regarded in the UK as a revolution yet when I was 15 I don't remember people of my age suddenly dropping their interest in Mike Oldfield,Yes,Genesis etc.
Punk did have some nice bands and very talented people but it was never the be all and end all of everything which is basically how critics and observers regarded it.That has continued to this day.Punk was cool (supposedly) while prog bands were silly, over theatrical and out of touch.That basic ingrained view will never be changed (and perhaps there is some truth in it )
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The Monodrone
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Posted: August 01 2010 at 20:44 |
Kashmir75 wrote:
It's funny how when Yes or ELP reforms, its 'a bunch of old men, looking for their retirement fund'. But its OK when the Pistols reform? Punk is older now than prog rock was then, when punk tried to kill it!
As for 'dinosaur bands', same thing. If someone comes out now, and has Yes or Genesis influences, they are derided by the mainstream. But drag up those equally old Television/Clash/Pistols references, and it will be hailed a masterpiece. |
Nice observation, I must say.
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Kashmir75
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Posted: August 01 2010 at 20:21 |
It's funny how when Yes or ELP reforms, its 'a bunch of old men, looking for their retirement fund'. But its OK when the Pistols reform? Punk is older now than prog rock was then, when punk tried to kill it!
As for 'dinosaur bands', same thing. If someone comes out now, and has Yes or Genesis influences, they are derided by the mainstream. But drag up those equally old Television/Clash/Pistols references, and it will be hailed a masterpiece. |
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Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while...
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Moogtron III
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Posted: July 31 2010 at 10:13 |
Snow Dog wrote:
John Lydon has become somewhat a National Treasure. I quite enjoy him personally and he is entitled to his opinion as far as I'm concerned. |
I like him a lot, and I used to love reading interviews with him as well. Britain can be proud of him.
Nice vid by the way, and I'm sure the lead singer of Touchstone will attract many people to prog
Edited by Moogtron III - July 31 2010 at 10:14
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Blacksword
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Posted: July 31 2010 at 09:48 |
Snow Dog wrote:
John Lydon has become somewhat a National Treasure. I quite enjoy him personally and he is entitled to his opinion as far as I'm concerned. |
I dont dislike the guy to be honest. He makes me laugh. There was a documentary about him and PIL fairly recently which was quite interesting. He spoke very openly and eloquently about his life, and his upbringing and his influences, although I dont think Peter Hammill got a mention. I thought PIL's approach to making music was quite unique and in some ways quite progressive, up until the 'Happy' album, which gained them new fans, and lost them some of their old ones. That's when they 'broke' America, and a tour or so later supported INXS, and by all accounts blew them off the stage.
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Snow Dog
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Posted: July 31 2010 at 06:56 |
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John Lydon has become somewhat a National Treasure. I quite enjoy him personally and he is entitled to his opinion as far as I'm concerned.
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richardh
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Posted: July 31 2010 at 06:44 |
Battlepriest wrote:
In all fairness, Lydon doesn't look entirely serious in that interview (or really at any time). Additionally, there were two obvious edit points in his portion of that clip. The context was largely up to the editor.
That said, I suspect he genuinely believes that ELP is crap. So do a lot of Prog fans (not me, to be clear).
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Not sure thats true as as I said before he and Keith Emerson actually do get on and have spoken on more than one occasion.ELP in their own way were rebels and had a touch of arrogance.Something that punks (or ex punks) like Lydon can easily relate to.
Edited by richardh - July 31 2010 at 06:45
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Battlepriest
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Posted: July 30 2010 at 18:00 |
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In all fairness, Lydon doesn't look entirely serious in that interview (or really at any time). Additionally, there were two obvious edit points in his portion of that clip. The context was largely up to the editor.
That said, I suspect he genuinely believes that ELP is crap. So do a lot of Prog fans (not me, to be clear).
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topographicbroadways
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Posted: July 28 2010 at 09:10 |
Lydon is just a phony if prog was at the top of the charts every week this year he would reunite the sex pistols and record a new song called Anarchy In 9/8!!! that man is all about the money and is the opposite of a punk rocker, he's an old man who still hasn't escaped his mid life crisis.
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CinemaZebra
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Posted: July 27 2010 at 15:12 |
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Quite ironic knowing how prog butter is.
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alanelp
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Posted: July 27 2010 at 15:08 |
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Why even ask lydon for a comment he should stick to advertising butter
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crimhead
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Posted: July 24 2010 at 00:59 |
yanch wrote:
Good to see ELP going at it. Greg Lake does look like he could afford to miss a meal or 3!  Don't really give a s*$t what John Lydon says! |
Yes. He needs to lay off the Donuts. Keith and Carl look great.
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WalterDigsTunes
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Posted: July 23 2010 at 19:36 |
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I'd sooner watch John Lydon than some jokefest full of modern bands. Oh wait, I've already gone to see PiL. Quality classic attitude.
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moshkito
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Posted: July 23 2010 at 19:28 |
Evolver wrote:
Lydon (and the vacuous mainstram rock press) still don't get it. Malcolm McLaren put together the most untalented band ever just to show that people will buy into anything, if you just sell it right. "The Great Rock & Roll Swindle" indeed. |
I wouldn't take it that far. At the time experiments STILL were all over the place in theater, film and music, and for all intents and purposes this was yet another expression that was as valid as the "angry young men" or 20 years earlier in the Brittish Stage! Bark loudly, and end up not saying a lot at all, but it makes for good staging! Thank you Good Night darling!
But Yes, it could be considered a great swindle in that advertising and publicity will convince you that anything is worth while so you spend your money and think it is good!
| The chumps that bought into The Sex Pistols still can't get over that, and to this day revel in Lydon's supposed genius. He was a talentless buffoon, and probably still is. Why people worry over what he says is beyond me. |
I would not go so far as to say that he, or the band, did not have talent. Talent is almost a "preference" for what is supposedly right and proper, instead of what is in front of you ... and the majority of the 20th century arts have been about breaking down that convention to smithereens and something like the Lydon, Syd and Nancy, were just as good vehicles for that expression as anything else that the West End had to offer at the time ... no complaints there ... I can say that some other arts got lazy, and someone else brought the flame out to the stage ... I can handle that.
It's the same thing with today's might makes right concept and fan control of the media ... you end up convinced that this or that is good because it is mentioned in print, and what you and I say is not important ... it's what happens when you have the chance for freedom and the cage is open, but inside here you have a meal all the time .... all the time!
So guess what the commercial interests bank on? ... your inability to think and get out on your own. And think for yourself. ...Of course, you can think that Genesis is great all the time ... but anything else? You put on the new Rush, you're never going to listen to Ange! There you have it ... conditioning of the Pavlov's Dog variety!
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