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The Dark Elf
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Topic: Led Zeppelin Prog Rock Songs Posted: July 06 2012 at 21:43 |
I think you'd have to listen to "When the Levee Breaks". It is by my definition, a progressive blues song. Also many songs off Physical Grafitti, a particular favorite being "Ten Years Gone"
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Posted: June 29 2012 at 14:32 |
tamijo wrote:
Zep is Zep, beyond catagory,
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This.
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Posted: June 29 2012 at 13:29 |
Zep is Zep, beyond catagory,
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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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Posted: June 29 2012 at 13:22 |
Honestly the only album I didn't find proggy was their first which wasn't really their songs... so
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Posted: June 29 2012 at 13:20 |
I agree. Zeppelin were progressive in many ways... progressive just wasn't really a term yet. Of course there are distinctions but they we're definitely forward thinking.
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Posted: May 31 2010 at 12:12 |
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in my honest opinion Led Zeppelin are a full-fledged progressive rock band, as are for example Deep Purple or Wishbone Ash too. but I know that many won't agree with me. however, in the 70s these distinctions were never made anyway. Led Zeppelin were one of the bands which tried something different. and that's what counted
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Posted: May 31 2010 at 05:40 |
in my honest opinion Led Zeppelin are a full-fledged progressive rock band, as are for example Deep Purple or Wishbone Ash too. but I know that many won't agree with me. however, in the 70s these distinctions were never made anyway. Led Zeppelin were one of the bands which tried something different. and that's what counted
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Posted: May 31 2010 at 01:48 |
I always loved "Carouselambra" - maybe because of the "gizmo" that was used there (if you don't know, gizmo is an invention for guitar by Godley & Creme of 10cc)
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Posted: May 30 2010 at 23:47 |
Chris S wrote:
moshkito wrote:
valravennz wrote:
Achilles Last Stand
Kashmir
No Quarter
The Rain Song
Dazed and Confused
All the above have tons of prog elements and then some!!  |
Too bad that your reflection is 35 years later, and the term was not even used until 20 years ago!
At the time music had a lot of experimental elements and Led Zeppelin were just as much at the forefront of it, specially in concert, as they were in their music.
Sadly no one gives Jimmy the credit he should deserve as being a master musician that was way up and ahead of others and he had a good knack for adjusting, adding and bringing things together in any jam and experiment, which is something that you can't teach and is the most important factor in the definition and birth of what we came to call "progressive".
It was a special time. And it we are not men enough to consider those progressive, then we need to come up with a new term and I, for one, will quit the "prog" scene ... and call it DIVINE.
It's just weird seeing terminology aplied to music that could have given a damn about what it was ... and most people are missing the point of the music and what it meant to those that were doing it ,.. it wasn't because it was "prog" ... it was because that's what you had inside your heart and the time and place helped you bring it out! ... this f**king prog illusion is so sick! |
Hey I wouldn't be so hard on the genre tagging side of things. A charcteristic of humans ( most) that we compartmentalize and PA's strength is that we do what is best to find the right fit for the artists..
I wholeheartedley agree however that Jimmy Page was well ahead of his time, does not get enough credit sometimes and LZ were experimental ( playing a guitar with a violin bow springs to mind) ( Sandy Denny singing on Battle of Evermore another)
They truly were the Rock masters. Untouchable IMO. |
Thanks Chris for your comments.  Moshkito: I am surprised that using the terminology highlighted in my quote could draw such criticism and pedantic analysis!! Yes - I agree Jimmy Page should be given more credit as a Master musician. But what has that got to do with the term "prog" - which is a commonly used shortened version of "progressive" and used by most PA'ers.??. In relation to my posting that is all that it implied and nothing else - but then why am I justifying my use of that terminology? It certainly was not a throw away remark. I think there are better things to focus on than a commonly used term, which I and most others use with affection! 
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Posted: May 30 2010 at 06:34 |
Kashmir, Carouselambra, No Quarter, The Rain Song...
hell...even "Stairway to Heaven" to me has a prog influence...the mood, the atmosphere, the visionary lyrics, the structure (a crescendo to the rockin' final)...
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Posted: May 29 2010 at 17:54 |
AbrahamSapien wrote:
What about Tea For one and in fact the whole Presence album?
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Tea For One is basically a slow blues.
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Posted: May 29 2010 at 17:14 |
moshkito wrote:
It's just weird seeing terminology aplied to music that could have given a damn about what it was ... and most people are missing the point of the music and what it meant to those that were doing it ,.. it wasn't because it was "prog" ... it was because that's what you had inside your heart and the time and place helped you bring it out! ... this f**king prog illusion is so sick! |
relax, it's called history and that's how it works-- Jazz wasn't 'Jazz' till it was "Jazz" ..what are we supposed to do, mumble like idiots about "that cool, flashy, long-winded stuff in the 70s, y'know like that there Jethro Tull guy with the flute."
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Posted: May 29 2010 at 14:45 |
moshkito wrote:
valravennz wrote:
Achilles Last Stand
Kashmir
No Quarter
The Rain Song
Dazed and Confused
All the above have tons of prog elements and then some!!  |
Too bad that your reflection is 35 years later, and the term was not even used until 20 years ago!
At the time music had a lot of experimental elements and Led Zeppelin were just as much at the forefront of it, specially in concert, as they were in their music.
Sadly no one gives Jimmy the credit he should deserve as being a master musician that was way up and ahead of others and he had a good knack for adjusting, adding and bringing things together in any jam and experiment, which is something that you can't teach and is the most important factor in the definition and birth of what we came to call "progressive".
It was a special time. And it we are not men enough to consider those progressive, then we need to come up with a new term and I, for one, will quit the "prog" scene ... and call it DIVINE.
It's just weird seeing terminology aplied to music that could have given a damn about what it was ... and most people are missing the point of the music and what it meant to those that were doing it ,.. it wasn't because it was "prog" ... it was because that's what you had inside your heart and the time and place helped you bring it out! ... this f**king prog illusion is so sick! |
Hey I wouldn't be so hard on the genre tagging side of things. A charcteristic of humans ( most) that we compartmentalize and PA's strength is that we do what is best to find the right fit for the artists..
I wholeheartedley agree however that Jimmy Page was well ahead of his time, does not get enough credit sometimes and LZ were experimental ( playing a guitar with a violin bow springs to mind) ( Sandy Denny singing on Battle of Evermore another)
They truly were the Rock masters. Untouchable IMO.
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Posted: May 29 2010 at 14:28 |
valravennz wrote:
Achilles Last Stand
Kashmir
No Quarter
The Rain Song
Dazed and Confused
All the above have tons of prog elements and then some!!  |
Too bad that your reflection is 35 years later, and the term was not even used until 20 years ago!
At the time music had a lot of experimental elements and Led Zeppelin were just as much at the forefront of it, specially in concert, as they were in their music.
Sadly no one gives Jimmy the credit he should deserve as being a master musician that was way up and ahead of others and he had a good knack for adjusting, adding and bringing things together in any jam and experiment, which is something that you can't teach and is the most important factor in the definition and birth of what we came to call "progressive".
It was a special time. And it we are not men enough to consider those progressive, then we need to come up with a new term and I, for one, will quit the "prog" scene ... and call it DIVINE.
It's just weird seeing terminology aplied to music that could have given a damn about what it was ... and most people are missing the point of the music and what it meant to those that were doing it ,.. it wasn't because it was "prog" ... it was because that's what you had inside your heart and the time and place helped you bring it out! ... this f**king prog illusion is so sick!
Edited by moshkito - May 29 2010 at 14:30
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Posted: May 29 2010 at 14:12 |
Gernerally just the longer songs and those with multiple genres incorporated, which is many.
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Posted: May 29 2010 at 00:47 |
What about Tea For one and in fact the whole Presence album?
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Posted: May 28 2010 at 23:59 |
The Rain Song is my favorite prog song from Zep. Mostly because it showcases the criminally underrated talent of John Paul Jones. He was very prog if you think about it: just playing there, not as wild as Plant, Page or Bonzo. Also he provided keyboards and mellotron. JPJ could have been a great prog rock musician.... imagine him in 70's Crimson.
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Posted: May 28 2010 at 23:41 |
Achilles Last Stand Kashmir No Quarter The Rain Song Dazed and Confused
All the above have tons of prog elements and then some!! 
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Posted: May 28 2010 at 22:00 |
WatcherOfTheSkies88 wrote:
Led Zeppelin isn't really a progressive rock band... most of their songs aren't that complex or prog sounding, although they did have a fair share of 6+ minute long songs. However, IMO, they've made a few excellent progressive rock songs in their history. "Stairway to Heaven" is probably the most obvious example, since it is multi-part and is longer than 8 minutes. "Whole Lotta Love" is another one, with the long middle section with lots of weird noises. Other ones: No Quarter, Kashmir, Dazed and Confused, Battle of Evermore, How Many More Times, Babe I'm Gonna Leave You, In My Time of Dying, Caroselambra, When The Levee Breaks, In The Light and Friends. However, I think their prog masterpiece, and the best song they've ever done, is the 10 minute "Achilles Last Stand". It's probably the most complex song they've done, and it is just incredible. Page's guitar solo is one of the all time best. Anyway, what songs of Zeppelin do you consider progressive, and which is your favorite? |
I have to agree, Zeppelin's finest energized moment. Forget whether it is prog or not....who cares 
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Posted: May 28 2010 at 21:41 |
Presence while not as good as the first 6 albums is still pretty darn underrated.
PG is exellent and my fourth favorite after HOTH, II and III.
Custard Pie, Kashmir, In My Time Of Dying, Ten Years Gone, In the Light, Houses of the Holy, The Rover, Down by the Seaside and Trampled Under Foot are all great. I do think the 4th side is the weakest, like they crammed all the filler into that side of the album, these songs are listenable but uninspired, and they lack the punch of everything from the first 3 sides, so I like to pretend that Ten Years Gone is the real closer and everything after is just bonus material. Because the first 3 sides are perfect.
Edited by boo boo - May 28 2010 at 22:17
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