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camilleanne 
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Posted: October 10 2009 at 08:49 |
well for me its 30%.. 
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jampa17
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Posted: October 09 2009 at 16:13 |
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If Radiohead and Dredg are Prog... then not all prog can be good... I find very subjective this poll... and at the end... I seriously doubt someone could ever know all the prog bands that exists... so is kind of a waste of time... really...
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Change the program inside... Stay in silence is a crime.
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DJPuffyLemon
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Posted: October 07 2009 at 18:31 |
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I voted 50%, but I think it's a little higher, how high I can't guess but I'm just working on the algorithm that any good band will be imitated. Usually the first round imitators are still good, but any round after that isn't worth listening to unless there's something else going on. At any rate, just judging the original prog (symphonic), I'd say it's a lot more than 50% that's crap, it just seems better than it is because the good bands are the ones that are constantly remembered.
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mrcozdude
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Posted: October 07 2009 at 17:27 |
 HeroOfYesterday wrote:
I'd say about 10%. It might not be 'crap' but there is some bands that I could just not get into. |
Yeah 10% of prog probably represents thousands of bands still. With that theory I should of voted lower.
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WalterDigsTunes
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Posted: October 07 2009 at 02:52 |
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Since modern stuff keeps getting churned out, the proportion of crap will increase and the proportion of quality material from the olden days will become an ever-smaller part of the prog pie.
I weep because of this tragedy.
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guitargods2009
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Posted: October 07 2009 at 02:49 |
2 people so far voted that "All prog is crap" in this poll. Makes me wonder what they're doing here on PA. 
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TheCaptain
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Posted: October 06 2009 at 11:14 |
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Well if there's something classified as prog that I don't like, it obviously isn't prog so I guess that means none of prog is crap.
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Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal.
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sleeper
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Posted: October 06 2009 at 10:50 |
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I went with 40% as even the most derivative stuff on here can be very good if done well and I still hold hope of finding something I like from genres I've had no luck with so far.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: October 06 2009 at 08:58 |
I voted over 60°, because in today's new wave of prog groups it's probably less than 10% of decent stuff, the rest being crap
In the last years, I've had a real problem finding 10 albums to make up a top yearly 10 list on PA. I think in two cases, I only submitted 5 or 6..... when even the 5 th probably not even finding a spot in a list dating from 97 or 98.
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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HeroOfYesterday
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Posted: October 06 2009 at 08:50 |
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I'd say about 10%. It might not be 'crap' but there is some bands that I could just not get into.
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http://www.last.fm/user/HeroOfYesterday
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Logan
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Posted: October 05 2009 at 23:16 |
I imagine he's here for that ten percent, which, incidentally, is a helluva lot of ass kickin' music.
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XunknownX
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Posted: October 05 2009 at 22:00 |
Petrovsk Mizinski wrote:
I'd say about 90 per cent (seriously too).
It's like any genre, be it jazz, metal etc, most of the stuff is super run of the mill and boring and the other 10 per cent is gonna kick your ass.
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So...what are you doing here? 
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Telinstryata
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Posted: September 30 2009 at 19:28 |
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I'd say 80% is excellent. 10% is crap, and the other 10% is random noise that some artists put on their albums to take up space.
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The Truth
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Posted: September 30 2009 at 17:34 |
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Any creative attempt at making music to me is great, and most prog is creative so...
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topofsm
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Posted: September 29 2009 at 22:16 |
Dean wrote:
Sturgeon's Law - "90% of everything is crud" - an oft quoted phrase that makes people feel good about liking niche genres of anything - ergo 90% of Prog is crap is toted as a get out of jail free clause. |
I find this to be a bunch of crap. The other 90% of your post makes sense though. 
I think I'll vote around 70%, because I imagine there are tons of crappy clones out there.
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SMSM
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Posted: September 29 2009 at 19:29 |
Depends on what is defined as prog.
A number of prog bands in the 1980's were crap because the record companies forced them to record bland new wave pop by rejecting any prog material.
Some prog bands totally sold out and played/play crap in order to get radio airplay that was/is only playing pop.
Some crap music defined by the mainstream media as prog because it contains maybe a fourth chord, or has a tempo change.
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King Crimson776
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Posted: September 29 2009 at 17:24 |
crimhead wrote:
What era are we talking about? Where is it from? What genre of prog?
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1980's only. Prague Indo Prog/Raga Rock
But anyway, a while ago I would've said 90% but I like just chilling to a lot of the random prog on here now. Maybe 20% is crap, whereas a lot is just ok. Only about 5% is really masterful.
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A Person
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Posted: September 29 2009 at 16:06 |
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I think it's higher than 30%, but less than 70%. So if I average that i get 50%. Completely unscientific, and probably wrong, but I'll go with it.
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The Pessimist
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Posted: September 29 2009 at 15:41 |
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No prog is crap, same as no music is crap. No music is good either. It's all opinionated whether something in art is good or bad. In my opinion though? Of what I've heard? 70% probably. 2/3.
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"Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value."
Arnold Schoenberg
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J-Man
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Posted: September 29 2009 at 15:21 |
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I would say about 80% is crap. Let's say we each have 100 bands we worship. Now put that out of the 4,662 bands on PA. Sure there are so many great bands we haven't discovered, but there are so many Dream Theater, Genesis, and Yes clones out there that really there isn't a ton of great stuff.
Edited by J-Man - September 29 2009 at 15:22
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