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ProgressiveAttic 
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Posted: December 02 2009 at 08:24 |
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I don't know if proto-prog... but if The Beatles and Miles Davis are here Dylan should be considered to addition under prog-related
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Posted: September 26 2009 at 18:20 |
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We'll probably never see Bob on PA and I'm OK with that, but I would say he is definitley one of the first major steps towards what eventually became Progressive Rock.
Re: Velvet Underground, the recent John Cale bio on this site goes into some detail about what Cale brought to rock via VU.
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Posted: September 26 2009 at 17:41 |
 debrewguy wrote:
Raff wrote:
Progfan1958 wrote:
Dylan is brilliant....but prog ? No. Unless we're going to add another category and call it "Roots Prog" ( Just Kidding )
The next thing you know we'll have a category that even Black Sabbath would fit in ! Oh, there is ? How did that happen. |
If you don't see the clear prog influences (and even more than influence, I'd say) on albums like Sabbath Bloody Sabbath or Sabotage, then I don't know what prog influences are .For The Truth: if you want to review Bob Dylan albums on a prog site, and stress their importance for the development of prog, go to ProgressiveEars - they have at least one Dylan review in their database (I checked again just now), and they are always looking for quality reviews. Here, unfortunately, the general level of maturity of the membership would make such an addition impossible, in spite of the excellent arguments brought forward by some posters. Personally, I've never been a fan of Dylan, but that does not mean I cannot see the point of the suggestion. |
Raff, why is it O.K. to debate some famous acts' merits but not others ? Raff, re : the maturity comment - have heard the line about when you point the finger at someone, that there are three more pointing back at you ...Raff, the addition of any act is, in the end, based on its' merits. Which is decided upon by several different levels at PA. Raff, excellent arguements are not determined by which side they support. |
Claude: lighten up a little bit dude.
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Posted: September 26 2009 at 17:30 |
Raff wrote:
if you want to review Bob Dylan albums on a prog site, and stress their importance for the development of prog, go to ProgressiveEars - they have at least one Dylan review in their database (I checked again just now), and they are always looking for quality reviews. |
You can also go to Progfreak.com ... we also have Bob Dylan listed there, and quality reviews are always welcome (though we focus on ratings and tags). 
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Posted: September 26 2009 at 16:36 |
debrewguy wrote:
Raff wrote:
Progfan1958 wrote:
Dylan is brilliant....but prog ? No. Unless we're going to add another category and call it "Roots Prog" ( Just Kidding )
The next thing you know we'll have a category that even Black Sabbath would fit in ! Oh, there is ? How did that happen. |
If you don't see the clear prog influences (and even more than influence, I'd say) on albums like Sabbath Bloody Sabbath or Sabotage, then I don't know what prog influences are.
For The Truth: if you want to review Bob Dylan albums on a prog site, and stress their importance for the development of prog, go to ProgressiveEars - they have at least one Dylan review in their database (I checked again just now), and they are always looking for quality reviews. Here, unfortunately, the general level of maturity of the membership would make such an addition impossible, in spite of the excellent arguments brought forward by some posters. Personally, I've never been a fan of Dylan, but that does not mean I cannot see the point of the suggestion. |
Raff, why is it O.K. to debate some famous acts' merits but not others ?
Raff, re : the maturity comment - have heard the line about when you point the finger at someone, that there are three more pointing back at you ...
Raff, the addition of any act is, in the end, based on its' merits. Which is decided upon by several different levels at PA.
Raff, excellent arguements are not determined by which side they support.
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Posted: September 26 2009 at 05:02 |
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He was very influential for the songwriting of many rock/pop artists, but songwriting is not a special element of prog music.
EDIT: I should probably explain that for me songwriting and composition/arrangement are two separate things. Songwriting is the essence of a musical piece (sic), which of course Dylan has a real knack for. Composition/Arrangement is the craft (or also art in some cases) of enhancing this essence, adding more layers/elements/parts and turning it into an actual recording.
Edited by Mr ProgFreak - September 26 2009 at 05:05
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Posted: September 26 2009 at 04:10 |
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People stopped posting on this and that upsets me because I think this deserves more thought. Bob Dylan's lyrics are one of the three main things that pretty much created prog, (The other two being Zappa's experimentalism and Sgt. Pepper's concept album,) and Zappa and the Beatles are on here so... |
Could you expand on that a bit please?
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Posted: September 25 2009 at 16:22 |
Negoba wrote:
The greatest proto-prog song of all time was written by Bob Dylan - Hendrix's "All Along the Watchtower" Of course it's the greatest song of the entire rock-n-roll era so I can also place it into any subcategory it fits into as well.
Dylan is the most important songwriter of the past 50 years. Isn't that enough? His work is based on roots music, that is OLD traditions. He helped integrate rock-n-roll and folk, the popular genres of his culture in that time. But Anthrax wasn't prog when they did "Bring the Noise," though it was a forward-thinking move in some ways.
Dylan is awesome.
NO.
No.
NO.
NOOOOOOOO. 
No more proto- or prog- related suggestions please.......especially not for artists that already have a monstrously high profile. |
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Posted: September 25 2009 at 16:12 |
Lyrics Wise do not mean they are prog.
R.E.M. lyrics are wise and they are not prog.
There are many many prog acts waiting to the adition here in PA, i think that we have to have concentrate on them, than instead writing endless threads about well know artist.
Dylan's influence covers almost every thing but that don't mean to be added to PA.
And i like Dylan, don't forget that.
And to the begginer of this thread, i invite you to expand your musical frontiers and start review the 4000+ artist that already are here, i think that that will feel rewarded more than putting this kind of threads.
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Posted: September 25 2009 at 16:07 |
The greatest proto-prog song of all time was written by Bob Dylan - Hendrix's "All Along the Watchtower" Of course it's the greatest song of the entire rock-n-roll era so I can also place it into any subcategory it fits into as well.
Dylan is the most important songwriter of the past 50 years. Isn't that enough? His work is based on roots music, that is OLD traditions. He helped integrate rock-n-roll and folk, the popular genres of his culture in that time. But Anthrax wasn't prog when they did "Bring the Noise," though it was a forward-thinking move in some ways.
Dylan is awesome.
NO.
No.
NO.
NOOOOOOOO.
No more proto- or prog- related suggestions please.......especially not for artists that already have a monstrously high profile.
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You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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Posted: September 25 2009 at 15:43 |
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I think that Dylan's lyrics certainly had an influence on Prog. But so are many writers' prose & poetry.
Musically , outside of Desolation Row & Sad Eyed Lady of the Lowlands, I can't really see much prog.
But I do appreciate Exitthelemmings' support of Toaster's comment (Dylan's music is stylistically simple but thematically far more complex
than even the instrumental complexity of many of our prog idols).
But as with Dire Straits, I can see that he is worthy of consideration, but that maybe the winning arguement for his admission hasn't been made yet. There might not even be one. And that I probably ain't the one to be able to prove one way or another.
Nice to see him being discussed though.
As for Willie Dixon & Elvis ... at the moment there's no real direct link between their music and prog. Yes, many musicians were influenced by them, but that element is not prominent in prog.
Dixon, for instance , could be cited as proto-metal for his many bass lines that were stolen over the years. But although this same bass playing came out in some R & B, it doesn't mean he could be said to be proto-dance ...
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Posted: September 25 2009 at 15:32 |
Raff wrote:
Progfan1958 wrote:
Dylan is brilliant....but prog ? No. Unless we're going to add another category and call it "Roots Prog" ( Just Kidding )
The next thing you know we'll have a category that even Black Sabbath would fit in ! Oh, there is ? How did that happen. |
If you don't see the clear prog influences (and even more than influence, I'd say) on albums like Sabbath Bloody Sabbath or Sabotage, then I don't know what prog influences are.
For The Truth: if you want to review Bob Dylan albums on a prog site, and stress their importance for the development of prog, go to ProgressiveEars - they have at least one Dylan review in their database (I checked again just now), and they are always looking for quality reviews. Here, unfortunately, the general level of maturity of the membership would make such an addition impossible, in spite of the excellent arguments brought forward by some posters. Personally, I've never been a fan of Dylan, but that does not mean I cannot see the point of the suggestion. |
Raff, why is it O.K. to debate some famous acts' merits but not others ? Raff, re : the maturity comment - have heard the line about when you point the finger at someone, that there are three more pointing back at you ... Raff, the addition of any act is, in the end, based on its' merits. Which is decided upon by several different levels at PA. Raff, excellent arguements are not determined by which side they support.
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"Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.
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Posted: September 25 2009 at 06:01 |
Progfan1958 wrote:
Dylan is brilliant....but prog ? No. Unless we're going to add another category and call it "Roots Prog" ( Just Kidding )
The next thing you know we'll have a category that even Black Sabbath would fit in ! Oh, there is ? How did that happen. |
If you don't see the clear prog influences (and even more than influence, I'd say) on albums like Sabbath Bloody Sabbath or Sabotage, then I don't know what prog influences are . For The Truth: if you want to review Bob Dylan albums on a prog site, and stress their importance for the development of prog, go to ProgressiveEars - they have at least one Dylan review in their database (I checked again just now), and they are always looking for quality reviews. Here, unfortunately, the general level of maturity of the membership would make such an addition impossible, in spite of the excellent arguments brought forward by some posters. Personally, I've never been a fan of Dylan, but that does not mean I cannot see the point of the suggestion.
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Posted: September 24 2009 at 21:31 |
Dylan is brilliant....but prog ? No. Unless we're going to add another category and call it "Roots Prog" ( Just Kidding )
The next thing you know we'll have a category that even Black Sabbath would fit in ! Oh, there is ? How did that happen.
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Posted: September 24 2009 at 21:13 |
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Good point Mick, guess I was kind of trying too hard wasn't I?
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Posted: September 24 2009 at 20:49 |
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don't get upset Truth.... it isn't worth it.... we all have bands and artists we think should be here... other sites have Dylan ... you can review the albums there.
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Posted: September 24 2009 at 20:45 |
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People stopped posting on this and that upsets me because I think this deserves more thought. Bob Dylan's lyrics are one of the three main things that pretty much created prog, (The other two being Zappa's experimentalism and Sgt. Pepper's concept album,) and Zappa and the Beatles are on here so...
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Posted: August 23 2009 at 20:50 |
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Ya cause you don't seem mean at all
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Posted: August 23 2009 at 12:28 |
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Posted: August 23 2009 at 11:58 |
ExittheLemming wrote:
Oh, I almost forgot, if Dylan sounds like Roger Waters then my air conditioning unit is the greatest unsigned act in the history of prog.
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Jeez, would people get off the Roger Waters thing!? It's just my opinion!
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