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ExittheLemming
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Topic: Ambient progressive Posted: August 30 2009 at 18:58 |
Wow lordy...REALLY liked Whimwise (and never heard of 'em)
At the risk of sounding shallow and lecherous, apart from the jazzy/chamber instrumentation and classical bent of the music they do just happen to have some stunningly attractive female members methinks |
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Dean
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Posted: August 28 2009 at 07:36 |
Sorry, only just seen this thread - I'll comment on the main points when I've more time, but first I'd like to comment on Whimwise.
As the person who suggested them I was surprised to see them end-up in Prog Related - admittedly judging them on Nick May's home-produced debut CD would give the impression that they were more New Age/Ambient orientated. However, when they perform those tracks in a live environment with a full band including live drummer, flute and electric violin it is closer to jazzy Enid-style Symphonic Prog than Ambient Prog.
Of course we cannot evaluate a band based on YouTube clips of live shows and have to use the only officially released material available, but when (and if) a second album is ever released using this full line-up I think (hope) we will see them move out of Prog Related into a 100% prog genre.
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SentimentalMercenary
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Posted: August 28 2009 at 05:50 |
I'd agree with such a category too; I was indeed looking for one recently. Also think about Ayreon's Dream Sequencer. Clearly ambiant-oriented.
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keiser willhelm
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Posted: August 11 2009 at 12:11 |
i think they might have a place under post-experimental. if you look at tag based sites like progfreak or last.fm a lot of these bands also carry the "ambient" tag. would it be too difficult to tack an ambient definition onto the existing one?
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Windhawk
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Posted: August 11 2009 at 11:05 |
Might Could - 100% acoustic without any traces of folk and lacking in distinct mainstream tinges. It doesn't fit, basically - crossover would arguable be the closest.
As for the misgivings on the inclusive stance of this site that's due to big name additions first and foremost. We could literally add a thousand unknown or obscure acts on the very fringes of prog to the database without hardly getting any reactions at all - although some would probably voice the opinion that we're watering out the site with the additions of many unknown acts that never made it or never will make it, obscuring from sight the artists really worth noting ;-) Take a look at the artists covered for the last couple of years on dprp, prog ears and progressor, and you'll soon see quite a few acts not here, many not evaluated ;-) That's the way it is when a site becomes as large as this one. We have many members, quite a few of which are highly skilled at crying wolf whenever they see something they don't like. And a highly democratic manner of adding artists. All of which ensures that additions take time, and that controversial stances (most often) won't be made until several strong voices calls for them to be made in unison *s* |
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Easy Livin
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Posted: August 11 2009 at 10:33 |
Do you have any thoughts Windy on what existing genre on this site might be appropriate for Might Cloud (for example)? It would be interesting to hear that team's views on them, and whther they too feel that the band should be included in the site somewhere.
Interesting your thoughts on this site's exclusivity. There are often complaints from others that we are too inclusive or not selective enough.
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Windhawk
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Posted: August 11 2009 at 08:39 |
Point is that a band like Might Could, as this site works today, will be kept out. And if I look around at the major websites covering prog, I don't think I would have a problem finding several hundred artists (mostly obscure ones) by and large regarded as prog elsewhere that have been rejected here or, in the case of Might Could, been sent to oblivion as far as additions are concerned for not fitting in.
This was some input to see if there was an interest in the latter category of artists really - as for the ones rejected here but listed elsewhere that is just how this site works - we're an exclusive site by and large, and we'll more often than not add artists here long after they've been accepted elsewhere. That's just the way it is, and nothing said or done will ever be able to change that. It is something one have to accept to participate on this site really.
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avestin
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Posted: August 11 2009 at 08:02 |
A band like Might Could definitely has a place here and I suggested them for PA before but while people agreed they were progressive, no fit for any genre was found.
Not sure I'd call it Ambient, though. |
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Windhawk
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Posted: August 11 2009 at 07:51 |
As there isn't a flurry of answers here I guess there isn't a need as such. But topic has been aired, and thoughts shared. Which was the point of this one in the first place :-)
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: August 11 2009 at 07:20 |
Dogs and cats sleeping together...
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Easy Livin
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Posted: August 11 2009 at 02:40 |
My personal view is that if these artists are actualy prog, we will already have a suitable genre for them. Progressive Electronic prog, Avant prog, or even Eclectic prog/Crrossover prog all seem likely places, perhaps even Symphonic.
I would be reluctant to see another genre set up because bands have been rejected in the past. Our genre teams are usually pretty good at making sure bands are passed on if they think they are prog, but not for their genre.
My concern is that if we set up another genre, it casts the net even wider. Bands and artisst who are ambient but not prog could find themsleves listed on the site. (This already happens with other genres).
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Windhawk
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Posted: August 10 2009 at 23:03 |
You might want to check up some of the artists I mentioned above to get a clearer picture then ;-)
I'll see if I can track down their MySpace pages and link them in. |
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stonebeard
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Posted: August 10 2009 at 22:57 |
I'm confused.
Are you just talking ambient artists? I find it really hard to discern between "progressive ambient" or just "ambient" Ambient's ambient. |
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Windhawk
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Posted: August 10 2009 at 22:45 |
One thought that has stuck with me for some time is if there's a need for a new category here, covering the more ambient aspects of progressive music.
Artists like Might Could and Fernwood, with their acoustic and at times highly complex and certainly progressive ventures doesn't have a place here for starters - acts widely recognized as progressive elsewhere - and also plainbred symphonic electronic (like Henriette Kat) as well as cosmic electronic artists regarded as progressive by most other prog sites to be found on and off the world wide web are rejected here. And perhaps even the more elaborate of the ambient artists - like Aeryal. The latter strongly new age tinged yet regarded as a progressive rather than a new age project by many. A third fraction of bands are chamber rock outfits, and another example is a band like Whimwise; which barely made it into prog related on this site yet are seen as purebred prog by the world at large (more or less). Thoughts? Edited by Windhawk - August 10 2009 at 23:10 |
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