Beatles

Karnevil9 wrote: lunaticviolist wrote: What the hell!  They're not prog, but put 'em in the archives just so we can end this discussion and move on! Yeh put em in. If you want me to pick i can easily go through the archives & exclude some band that are not prog as much as people make out the Beatles arn't

good point karny

What the hell!  They're not prog, but put 'em in the archives just so we can end this discussion and move on!

maani wrote: According to Max (who is the final arbiter here), in order to qualify for the site, a band need only have one album that is prog.  However, that entire album must be prog, as ultimately defined by Max and Rony.

Ah well get m@x & Rony to get real & include them

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alan_pfeifer wrote: I feel like a broken record: Various Artists.

not a horrible idea
but of they get in why can't any 60's band that influenced prog get in??

I am glad to see this poll has evened out.  The Beatles must be kept out of the archives!

Then we can move on, and get rid of Dream Theater.  I'd even trade the Beatles for Dream Theater in the archives.

All:

Yes, we've had this discussion before.  Here is the quick answer.

According to Max (who is the final arbiter here), in order to qualify for the site, a band need only have one album that is prog.  However, that entire album must be prog, as ultimately defined by Max and Rony.

In this regard, even Sgt. Pepper would not qualify, since although some (maybe even most) of it is prog - or at very least "proto-prog" - some of it is not.  Personally, I do not consider most of it prog, or necessarily even proto-prog (which does not detract whatsoever from its greatness or influence).

From my own personal perspective, although The Beatles were certainly experimental, and brought quite a few new ideas and sounds to rock, even their most "prog" stuff is ultimately "proto-prog" - though unquestionably highly influential.  We can agree to disagree here, but I would include the following songs as at very least "proto-prog" - and my list goes back even further than anything mentioned thus far (note that I am using the American album chronology here):

Rubber Soul
Think For Yourself

Yesterday & Today
I'm Only Sleeping
And Your Bird Can Sing

Revolver
Love You To
She Said She Said
Tomorrow Never Knows

Sgt. Pepper
Being For the Benefit of Mr. Kite
Within You Without You
A Day in the Life

Magical Mystery Tour
Flying
Blue Jay Way
I Am the Walrus
Strawberry Fields Forever

The Beatles
Wild Honey Pie
Happiness Is a Warm Gun
I'm So Tired
Yer Blues
Everybody's Got Something To Hide
Helter Skelter
Revolution 9

Yellow Submarine
Only a Northern Song

Abbey Road
Come Together
I Want You (She's So Heavy)
Because
You Never Give Me Your Money through The End (not individually, but as a concept)

The Beatles were unquestionably, unarguably the most influential group of all time (and, with the exception of Frank Zappa, the most experimental until prog began in earnest).  However, they are not "prog" themselves.  Indeed, they probably belong in a pantheon unto themselves.  Let's not burden them with having "founded" any particular genre.

Peace. 

No. Stop stretching the meaning of Progressive Rock.

I wanted to vote "NO", but the "Piss off Karney" option was more than tempting!

BTW, The Beatles just don't belong to the archives, sorry.

 

A definite no as far as I am concerned. I have the greatest respect for their mausic and their achievements. I love their album sand singles a lot. There is no doubt they were a major influence on many prog and non-prog bands alike. They were never a prog band though.

The Beatles are already very well catered for on the web, there is no need or benefit in adding them here, it would simply distort the site.

The Beatles were undoubtedly a major band, they were not though a major prog band. AsPeter says, it's a can of worms.

yarstruly wrote: con safo wrote: They definitely deserve their place in the archives. They were one of the original 'pioneers' of prog, and although they may not be playing mellotrons or moogs, they have alot of aspects of the genre in their music. Without them i dont think prog could have gotten as big as its been, or even exist ! Their early albums are quite boring, but anything after Rubber Soul is nirvana. YESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Actually they did use mellotrons (Strawberry Fields Forever) & Moogs (Various Abbey Road Tunes)...they were among the 1st to use either...

First group to use a moog synthesizer? Grab your socks! It's Hey, Hey Were The Monkees! 1967 on their Pisces, Aquarius, Capricorn and Jones Ltd album. How's that?

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