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Poll Question: How Influential Were The Beatles On Prog Rock?
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    Posted: May 13 2005 at 18:13
Originally posted by Riph Riph wrote:

If you'll look at the influences of Robert Fripp, who for the most part created prog, the Beatles are the largest influence.


The Beatles basically formed two roads, the pop road which now consists of all the comerical artists, and the experimental road which influened King Crimson and Yes and The Nice and Genesis and led to musical progression. Of course prog, the road less taken, has made all the difference.



Good point, but you're forgetting one non-prog road they formed. And that was the result of their meshing with Bob Dylan (British rockers didn't even know what pot was 'til he came along!), folk rock. This spawned artists like The Band, The Byrds, Buffalo Springfield and maybe even Renaissance and Jethro Tull (come to think of it, folk rock may not be so non-prog after all).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2005 at 15:57

If you'll look at the influences of Robert Fripp, who for the most part created prog, the Beatles are the largest influence.

The Beatles basically formed two roads, the pop road which now consists of all the comerical artists, and the experimental road which influened King Crimson and Yes and The Nice and Genesis and led to musical progression. Of course prog, the road less taken, has made all the difference.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2005 at 05:01
Without Revolver and SPLHCB prog (and some other styles) would not appear and develop so fast. The influence is huge.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2005 at 03:25

Originally posted by easy livin easy livin wrote:

What do you consider to be the second medley Cert? The whole of side 2 is one of them (presumably), but I've always thought of side one as separate tracks.

I hear side 2 as "Here Comes the Sun", then two distinct medlies; "Because" -> "She Came in Through the Bathroom Window", then "Golden Slumbers" -> "End", with "Her Majesty" as a kind of cheeky finale.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2005 at 00:34
Originally posted by Guillermo Guillermo wrote:

I have Mark Lewisohn`s  book "The Beatles: Recording Sessions-The Official Abbey Road Studio Sessions Notes 1962-1970".(published in 1988). In this book:


-George Martin says that Ringo was their "metronome" and that he rarely did mistakes in the studio.


-Ringo returned to the studio during the "White Album" recording sessions mainly because he was called by the band because they had to appear on TV the next day to promote the "Hey Jude" single (they played the song live on TV; there are some scenes of this clip on the "Anthology" video).


-Ringo left the band for two weeks. He was tired of waiting for the rest of the members of the band to arrive to the studio. He also was criticized by Paul. During 1968 the Egos of some members of The Beatles were bigger than before. That`s why the "White Album" was a double album: The Beatles wanted to record all the songs they have composed then. George Martin suggested to them to only record the best songs for a single album. He lost. Recording Engineer Geoff Emerick left the recording sessions of this album because he was tired of seeing The Beatles fighting in the studio. George Martin also went to holidays for the same reason, and he was replaced by Chris Thomas. After Martin returned to the studio, he and Thomas worked together with The Beatles . During Ringo`s absence they only recorded two songs as a trio: "Back in the USSR" and "Dear Prudence", with Paul playing the drums. The rest of the booked recording sessions were used to record songs alone (Paul and John in different studios in Abbey Road;John began his "Revolution 9" song then) and some of them were canceled until Ringo`s return.



Along with Anthology, that book is one of the best books on them. A wealth of info.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 09 2005 at 22:25

I have Mark Lewisohn`s  book "The Beatles: Recording Sessions-The Official Abbey Road Studio Sessions Notes 1962-1970".(published in 1988). In this book:

-George Martin says that Ringo was their "metronome" and that he rarely did mistakes in the studio.

-Ringo returned to the studio during the "White Album" recording sessions mainly because he was called by the band because they had to appear on TV the next day to promote the "Hey Jude" single (they played the song live on TV; there are some scenes of this clip on the "Anthology" video).

-Ringo left the band for two weeks. He was tired of waiting for the rest of the members of the band to arrive to the studio. He also was criticized by Paul. During 1968 the Egos of some members of The Beatles were bigger than before. That`s why the "White Album" was a double album: The Beatles wanted to record all the songs they have composed then. George Martin suggested to them to only record the best songs for a single album. He lost. Recording Engineer Geoff Emerick left the recording sessions of this album because he was tired of seeing The Beatles fighting in the studio. George Martin also went to holidays for the same reason, and he was replaced by Chris Thomas. After Martin returned to the studio, he and Thomas worked together with The Beatles . During Ringo`s absence they only recorded two songs as a trio: "Back in the USSR" and "Dear Prudence", with Paul playing the drums. The rest of the booked recording sessions were used to record songs alone (Paul and John in different studios in Abbey Road;John began his "Revolution 9" song then) and some of them were canceled until Ringo`s return.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2005 at 16:02

I guess the whole progrock thing was just waiting to happen. The Beatles were very influential, but other bands like The Nice, The Moodies, Procol Harum and Pink Floyd were also hinting in that direction.

Read Ed Macan's book "Rocking The Classics; English Progressive Rock And The Counterculture", and you see that the time was ripe: drugs that expanded the minds of the counterculture, the search for other than material values, people with some musical knowledge who became interested in rock.

On a certain level I think that the following statement is true: without Sgt. Pepper, no progrock. But on the other hand: if the fab four hadn't been there, others would have led the development which lead to progrock. It was "in the air", waiting to be born.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2005 at 15:55
What do you consider to be the second medley Cert? The whole of side 2 is one of them (presumably), but I've always thought of side one as separate tracks.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2005 at 15:35
Originally posted by Karnevil9 Karnevil9 wrote:

Originally posted by Progger Progger wrote:

I always associate prog with long complex pieces of music. What was the longest song the Beatles ever recorded?

 

Have a stab at ''Revolution 9''

How about the two medlies on "Abbey Road" - don't they count?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2005 at 11:19
SGT Peppers was the advent of prog rock IMO. Also the days of future passed by the moodies.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2005 at 10:43

Originally posted by Progger Progger wrote:

I always associate prog with long complex pieces of music. What was the longest song the Beatles ever recorded?

 

Have a stab at ''Revolution 9''

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2005 at 10:34
I always associate prog with long complex pieces of music. What was the longest song the Beatles ever recorded?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2005 at 10:28
Every One of them was influenced by the Beatles!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2005 at 10:03

What about 'The Nice' 'Moody Blues' 'Procul Harum' 'Tomorrow' 'Traffic' 'Small Faces' ect?

These are the bands that started the prog movement!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2005 at 09:56
Originally posted by Butterfleef Butterfleef wrote:

Originally posted by NetsNJFan NetsNJFan wrote:

Originally posted by Ben2112 Ben2112 wrote:

Originally posted by lunaticviolist lunaticviolist wrote:


The Beatles may not have been a true prog rock band, but they are surely one of the most progressive bands of all time.


I think that sums it up nicely.


If Only they could play their instruments, and didn't write pop music!!!!!



 


Could play their instruments?! I will admit that Ringo isn't the greatest drummer ever, but as I've read in a different thread, he was the king of "less is more" drumming. Paul McCartney was one of the best bassists ever, in my opinion, and a lot of my defense comes from Abbey Road. Not only that, but he drummed on quite a few songs that were too complex for Ringo such as Back in the USSR, and others. Furthermore he played guitar AND piano on quite a few songs. The acoustic guitar solo at the end of Wild Honey Pie on The White Album was Paul. George is a whole different story. Not only is he one of my favorite guitar players of all time, he can play the sitar, and every brass instrument. His arrangements on Love You To and Within You and Without You are extraordinary. John, too, was a very good guitar and piano player and should be credited as highly as the other two.



I agree with you on the most part. As for Paul drumming on the White Album, it wasn't a matter of complexity. Ringo simply quit for a while only to come back to see his drums draped in flowers. Remember that story. Paul wasn't half-bad on the drums, he just didn't have that Ringo "feel".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2005 at 08:04
Maybe they didn't fully create Prog, but they certainly inspired prog!  They showed that anything was possible and allowable within a "rock" framework!  They made it conceivable....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2005 at 06:18

Well, what can I add...?

Maybe only the fact that (ommitting some obvious examples) it's not really a good idea to base one's opinion of someone's instrumental prowess on how spectacular his/her music sounds. IMO more often than not one may be disappointed (or pleasantly surprised, depending on the situation) by the reality behind the sounds.

Yes, I do want to defend the likes of Ringo Starr, Nick Pointer and Paul Cook here, even though I'm one of these drum fanatics who loves his drumming to be (creatively) all over the place and drools at the prospect of a 10+ minute drum solo.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2005 at 06:03
I would not say that they started prog rock but were influential enough to have played a role into it!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2005 at 05:26
Nothing much more to add to this, but I voted very influential, Being my favorite band afterall.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2005 at 04:51
Some influences but what about Pink Floyd!
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