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Jim Garten 
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 Topic: No Smoking in Bars/Clubs?Posted: May 21 2009 at 02:30 |
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 ...well, that's what I'm told, anyway....
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Jon Lord 1941 - 2012 |
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someone_else
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Posted: May 20 2009 at 04:59 |
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Even though I quit smoking a number of years ago, I disagree with the ban of smoking in bars. This ban should be limited to restaurants.
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el dingo
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Posted: May 20 2009 at 04:53 |
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That really is the fag end of this thread
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It's not that I can't find worth in anything, it's just that I can't find worth in enough.
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Chris S
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Posted: May 15 2009 at 22:09 |
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^ Butt the point being?
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...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
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Slartibartfast
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Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
Posted: May 15 2009 at 18:32 |
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"THE SMOKERS
HE LIT the cigarette and smoked it down to the filter in one breath. He silently thanked the Winston Company for being thoughtful enough about his health to include a filter to protect him. So he lit up another. This time he didn't exhale the squeaky-clean filtered smoke, but just let it nestle in his lungs, filling his body with that good menthol flavor. Some more smokers knocked on his door and came in and all started smoking along with him. "How wonderful it is that we're all smoking," he thought. Everyone smoked and smoked and after they smoked they all talked about smoking and how nice it was that they were all smokers and then they smoked some more. Smoke, smoke, smoke. They all sang "Smoke That Cigarette" and "Smoke Gets In Your Eyes." Then the smokers smoked one more cigarette and left him home alone in his easy chair, about to enjoy a nice quiet smoke. And then his lips fell off." Steve Martin - Cruel Shoes Edited by Slartibartfast - May 15 2009 at 18:33 |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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JJLehto
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Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: May 15 2009 at 14:55 |
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Well I have broken the draw
NJ has had a smoking ban on pretty much any place inside for years now. On one hand I understand the smokers point, BUT I approve of it. Their smoke CAN be quite intrusive. And while the debate is on about how bad second hand smoke is..it is deff NOT good for you. |
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: May 14 2009 at 18:13 |
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I've made it a draw...
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himtroy
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Posted: May 14 2009 at 18:08 |
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Fascism is how I feel about it. I don't smoke tobacco at all, but the government telling people what they do with their property defines fascism. I don't care if you're not aloud to smoke somewhere, but it's whoever owns it's right to make that decision, not the US government. People have the right to do what they want with their land, and if you don't like it you have the right not to go there. These are all the kinds of small steps that will add up to complete and absolute totalitarianism over the next twenty or so years. No guns, no drugs, no smoking, then no unhealthy food, then no decisions that don't better the american government.
It's a property rights issue Edited by himtroy - May 14 2009 at 18:12 |
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Zargus
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Posted: April 18 2009 at 14:04 |
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Yes i agree with it, if peopel whana destroy thiere one life and die of cancer its up to them, but i dont want thiere stinky smoke on me.
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el dingo
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Posted: April 16 2009 at 14:30 |
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Never thought I'd have this discussion on PA but... Course I believe it!!! I go to Spain a lot and never formally pay for my trip 'cos of it. I know the score - and when you come back into Stansted there's a massive sign saying you can bring in what you like if it's for your own use. I don't profiteer, merely keeping whatever for myself with the occasional exchange at genuine mates' rates.
btw thanks to South Wales for a couple of my fave (non-prog) bands: Man, the Neutrons, and especially the Manics. Plus the Super Furries, but I don't know what part of Wales they're from.
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It's not that I can't find worth in anything, it's just that I can't find worth in enough.
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lazland
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Posted: April 16 2009 at 13:54 |
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Believe it! In South Wales, some 70% of all the hand rolled tobacco smoked is contraband brought in from cheap places such as Greece, Spain & etc. Brown, of course, made a rod for his own back by taking away virtually every Customs officer from Welsh ports and airports so that it became easy to illegally bring the things in - all to save money, of course. The soon to be created UKBA will turn that around, in recognition of the mistake made by Brown & HMRC. |
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Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org
Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
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el dingo
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Posted: April 16 2009 at 11:29 |
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Oh no Jim, surely not?
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It's not that I can't find worth in anything, it's just that I can't find worth in enough.
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: April 16 2009 at 09:06 |
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http://www.cdc.gov/cancer/lung/statistics/cost.htm
And let's not forget that smoking also causes other forms of cancer ... and a variety of other conditions involving the lungs and coronary system. |
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Jim Garten
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Posted: April 16 2009 at 06:04 |
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Being a loose tobacco smoker, I find there's usually somewhere you can buy cheap baccy...
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Jon Lord 1941 - 2012 |
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el dingo
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Posted: April 16 2009 at 00:50 |
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There's a scurrilous rumour doing the rounds in the UK that the smoking ban was only brought in 'cos everyone buys cheap tobacco in Spain and Belgium. If they're not getting enough tax out of it, ban it, etc.
I don't personally believe this to be true, but some cynics I've met actually seem to believe it.
Mind you, would you spend £5 a pack or £12 a pouch when you can get the same for £2 and £3 respectively. Maybe the cynics have a point Edited by el dingo - April 16 2009 at 00:53 |
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It's not that I can't find worth in anything, it's just that I can't find worth in enough.
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stonebeard
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Posted: April 15 2009 at 16:55 |
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Healthy people put more strain on the health care system because they're alive longer, into very old age, and so with that comes more social support. I don't know how the healthy people get the balls to do this to us.   |
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Gustavo Froes
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Joined: October 06 2008 Location: Rio,Brazil Status: Offline Points: 385 |
Posted: April 15 2009 at 08:22 |
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Second hand smoke isn't perfectly safe,but then again,what is?The chances of getting even the slightest health problems related to this are so remote(and believe me, I had my fair share of smokers all around me over the years),that I'm forced to think this is just propaganda.Please notice the brainswash that we're submitted to in order to believe cigarettes are a serious threat to your health.And I'm not saying it isn't,but it's just everywhere,Holywood particulary enjoys practicing this.If you can control yourself and have conscience of th possible issues smoking may cause in the future,there's simply no reason for this type of law to be approved,mainly because smokers are treated more and more with twisted noses all around.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: April 15 2009 at 06:45 |
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I'm probably repeating myself, but what the hell. I don't mind people smoking tobacco as long as I don't have to breathe it in. Even if second hand smoke were perfectly safe, smoking tends to take all the oxygen out of the room. In public establishments there should be good ventilation if smoking inside is allowed.
And hey, look at the bright side, if you have to go outside you usually get to hang out with fellow smokers. 
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mrcozdude
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Posted: April 15 2009 at 06:24 |
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I wish Bill Hicks was on the pa.I'm a non-smoker (a pretty bad non-smoker) but I think Hick's points of smoking are extremely valid for today and could spark some intresting conversation.It makes we wonder what would Hicks and Zappa think about this.
From what I've gathered from most smokers it's not the smoking ban that pisses them off the most,it's thought of what will happen beyond this.As I said briefly before It's not good to be told where to smoke,what to eat and how much drink and I think people believe that this could lead to be bigger restrictions. One thing i'm proud of Gordon Brown doing is not increasing the price of alcohol.How would England survive? I'm sure wet and cold smokers were jumping for joy. |
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Finnforest
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Posted: April 15 2009 at 06:21 |
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Where's Bill Hicks when we need him
Probably havin' a Camel in hell. I miss that guy!
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...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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