King Crimson Biography errors - loads of them!

I`ve made updates to the KC bio to fix the anbiguities of prog and art rock as well as rewriting the ending. Just disregard the last sentence. Bob ( Easy Livin ) will remove it as I do not have the capacity to do it myself along with acouple of other minor typos.
For those reading this after Bob made the deletion, the last paragraph should read as such :

"Once again, the future becomes a most devious proposition as the King Crimson beast goes into hibernation awaiting the divine intervention of..........The Crimson King. "
                                                          End

( whenever the freak that`s going to be)


Edited by Vibrationbaby - April 22 2009 at 10:09

John McIntyre wrote: Ian/Vibrationbaby. As it was me that stated there were errors in your biog of KC, and I made an attempt to correct them, feel free to direct any bile towards me.   Irrespective of the Art/Prog Rock description, all I tried to do was amend the facts. This took the form of correcting spelling errors (e.g. McDonald - MacDonald) and punctuation. I deliberately avoided any rewrites - I didn't want to change the sense or style of the original piece - I don't have any right to do that. I would have thought that the hierarchy at PA would have sought you out (as the original biog writer) to let you see the "alleged" corrections of some young whippersnapper (young, my a**e, I'm 55!) before they went up on the site. A good source of KC info is Sid Smith's "In the Court of King Crimson". This clarifies the story behind the Brain single. (Brain was a temporary name for Trendsetters Inc, who had the Giles Brothers in their ranks BEFORE Giles, Giles & Fripp formed)

 Just want to make it clear that the first I heard about this was yesterday morning through a PM otherwise I would have responded earlier.
Although this appeared as a blog it was actually written for the KC entry in the archives which is where the finished version now resides. I `ve made arrangements to update it a bit and correct the typos which I was aware of and had already decided to update it as I mentioned earlier when time permitted. I still don`t know where you`re coming from regarding the Brain single . I didn`t even mention it at all because I felt it was irrelevant. I think I used the term artrock for the very reason that Fripp doesn`t care for the term progrock as Debrewguy points out above. I mean I had to call it something. I`ll take a look at it and try and come up with something that everyone can live with.

As for the Sid Smith book I think I wrote the bio before his book came out or I was certainly unaware of the book at the time. I`ve tried to get a hold of a copy but it`s a rare bird. Something that I would have definitely consulted had it been available to me when I agreed to write the bio. The references I did use came from magazines, liner notes record guides and personal experience over the years ( I`ve also seen them 7 times ).
I`ll wait until monday to make the corrections so anyone who has any further corrections or suggestions to improve the bio can have their say.

Cheers, Ian

Ian/Vibrationbaby.

I was just notified by the powers that might be.
 I more or less wrote that off the top of my head in about four or five installments whenever I had time using references for dates and other miscelaneous details . I`ll have a look at it again today ( when I have time ) . As for the art vs prog  they are one in the same to me. I don`t get too excited about all these genre labels so I guess you guys argue that one out. The typos can easily be corrected. I don`t use spell check . The Burell and MacDonald errors were typos ( at least I was consistent with the "McDonald"  error  ). I went over the bio briefly and I can`t see where I mentioned Brain`s " Nightmares In Red ". I think I even edited something about this when I was preparing the initial draft.

I think the best thing to do here is for me to go through it with a fine comb and find the typos and get Bob ( Easy Livin ) to correct them. Then let everyone decide what we`re going to call Crimson artrock, progrock or whatever ( personally I think they`re beyond category ). Then come up with a list of errors that  I might have made and I`ll take the time to make the necessary corrections because I think if we get too many people taking away and putting in we`ll have a case of too many cooks in the kitchen. Just to maintain consistency in the writing style ( not that I have any style ) I think it best that I correct my own mistakes.

Finally, in light of the developments since I wrote that a couple of years ago in the KC camp, I was actually planning to update it a wee bit anyway correcting the typos at the same time so if you guys want to argue out the errors I`ll take the time to set everything straight and everything will be a happy again  in Crimsonland.

Cheers, Ian

Sorry, I just noticed this thread. I've asked Vibrationbaby, who wrote the excellent biography, to have a look.

Henry Plainview wrote: You appear to think that art rock is a lesser form of prog, but I have always seen them used interchangeably most of the time, and I think the ITCOTCK liner notes even mention the term. There is the debate of whether or not prog is in fact a subgenre of art rock, but that is boring and I won't get into it, since most people view the terms as equal. But it should probably be removed anyway, since the term as a subgenre tag is defunct.

I'm also one of those who view art rock and prog rock as synonymous.  Send me to the re-education camp.

Ricochet wrote: Tuzvihar wrote: Ricochet wrote: Your help adressing those errors is most appreciated. Just contact one of the Admins and/or the author himself. Or the Errors & Omissions Team. Sorry.

How could you have forgotten about us Rico! I feel redundant...




Edited by Tuzvihar - February 22 2009 at 05:32

Ricochet wrote: Your help adressing those errors is most appreciated. Just contact one of the Admins and/or the author himself.

Or the Errors & Omissions Team. Post it here John (or PM me) and I'll be happy to upload it. That's what we are for. Thanks!

You appear to think that art rock is a lesser form of prog, but I have always seen them used interchangeably most of the time, and I think the ITCOTCK liner notes even mention the term. There is the debate of whether or not prog is in fact a subgenre of art rock, but that is boring and I won't get into it, since most people view the terms as equal.

A note for #4: the bio was written when King Crimson was in a genre called "Art Rock" (now that genre was split in three sections: Heavy, Eclectic and Crossover). So the biographer could have been influenced by the term used here, on PA.

Moreover, there have been numerous discussion about the relation between Art Rock and Prog Rock. Anyway though, Art Rock music catalogued here is acknolwedged as prog rock, so there's no mistake. "Rubbish" is too strong as a word.

Except this and #3, the rest are spelling mistakes, easy to correct.