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 Topic: Why ABBA should be adde to ProgArchives
Posted: January 16 2009 at 22:50 |
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I think that some of my fellow countrymen would say "Aaaah! Bah!".
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moodyxadi
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Posted: January 16 2009 at 21:14 |
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Sometimes the reactions to a joke just show how much (related) truth it contains.
The problem is not a purist position x an inclusive approach. The real question is: how far this policy will lead this site? I'm a rock fan above all, and prog rock is for me a subdivision of my rock involvement; I believe that even if prog-related isn't the focal point of this site the repetitive reactions to some inclusions reveal that, more than a purist thing, waht sometimes happen here (with certain frequency IMO) is challenge to common sense and historic perspective on pop music.
I do believe that we can defend any point of view with good arguments without compromise with the real reasons that guide us. I love Budgie, a hard rock band, and any argument in the world can change this fact. If someone three years ago had proposed this he would face public ridiculous, because tehere isn't any special relation between Budgie and prog rock. Simple as that. But the list goes on and on...
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Bach, Ma, Bros, Déia, Dante.
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Mikerinos
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Posted: January 16 2009 at 15:37 |
Dancing Queen makes Zeuhl look like bubblegum pop. 
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: January 16 2009 at 14:09 |
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Well, prog related bands may not be prog, but they at least have to be proggy on the fringe.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted: January 16 2009 at 07:17 |
 Dean wrote:
The assertion that PR inclusions are 'guilty pleasure' additions is unfounded, unjustified and, IMO, unfair.
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Thanks to Dean for expressing my same sentiments in a much clearer, logical and rational way. I didn't want to come across as a grumpy killjoy, but I have to say I resent any allegations that the addition of PR bands is the product of feelings of guilt. I don't worship prog as a religion, and certainly don't feel guilty if I want to listen to, say, Duran Duran or Frankie Goes to Hollywood - nor do I wish for them to be included because I like some of their music. None of the Prog-Related bands I was responsible for adding were added without careful consideration of their actual relation with prog - even if, of course, you're all free to believe otherwise, if that makes you happy.
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Posted: January 16 2009 at 07:03 |
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I'm tired of "let's add bands 99% of the world never considered prog rock", "let's add the idols that marked out life" or "let's nitpick for progressive elements in everything" discussions.
Since you're initial statement was quite elaborate, Moody, just go ahead and officially suggest ABBA to the Prog-Related Team (the Admins), taking full responsability of the addition. That way, you'll get a quick and direct answer regarding how prog is ABBA, and more importantly what's the status and nature of the Prog-Related category.
Edited by Ricochet - January 16 2009 at 07:03
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Dean
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Posted: January 16 2009 at 07:01 |
moodyxadi wrote:
Thanx for your laughs and support. And although this post is partly a joke I simply tried to do a mental exercise about where the far inclusive boundaries of the so-called "prog related" concept (a good Idea at first) can lead us. This site is awesome, fantastic and the work of its members almost impeccable. But it's obvious that a lot of people feel "guilty" for likin' non-prog music and tried to justify their "sins" making weird connections. ABBA's inclusion is th e logical step that someday will happen here.
I believe that anyone can exclude the non-prog grops added here. A solution would be just to change the name of he site from ProgArchives to RockArchives. Then the debateswould be about the rockiness of bands, what is something more light and difficult to trace than the progginess (at least to my knowledge).
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While I agree that it is a simple mental exercise to produce a justification for including practically any artist into the archive under the pretext of being Prog Related, so by the reverse process any one can "pick-holes" in the reasoning behind the addition of those bands already included. That does not negate the addition of those bands or any the future additions. We try to be selective and only include artists that have made a significant impact on the World of Prog, or who have been noticeably influenced by it, or who have a direct connection to it, but we cannot please everyone.
Everything is subjective since music is an art not a science, if it were objective it would be simple, however the inclusions are not on a whim or a fancy, but are made after serious discussion and for and against reasonings and justifications. Of course there will be many people who disagree with each addition under Prog Related and those that wholeheartedly support it; I'm sure most people can find one or two additions they disagree with; there are very few would approve of every band, a few that have wholesale objections to the entire category and a few who couldn't give a monkey's either way - that is the nature of debate.
Changing the name of the Archive would not (necessarily) change additions policy, it is just a name - it could be called the Purple Passions and Streaming Consciousness Archives for all that matters - Prog Related is a side issue of little importance in the scheme of things, people could expend their energies on the more over-looked subgenres and the list of unreviewed albums than endlessly debating the addition of high-profile artists.
The assertion that PR inclusions are 'guilty pleasure' additions is unfounded, unjustified and, IMO, unfair.
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Vompatti
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Posted: January 16 2009 at 06:22 |
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The best solution would be to change the name of the site from ProgArchives to Archives and include everything. Even things that are everything-related.
Edited by Vompatti - January 16 2009 at 06:22
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: January 16 2009 at 05:19 |
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We simply can't take a chance on that.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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moodyxadi
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Posted: January 16 2009 at 05:14 |
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Thanx for your laughs and support. And although this post is partly a joke I simply tried to do a mental exercise about where the far inclusive boundaries of the so-called "prog related" concept (a good Idea at first) can lead us. This site is awesome, fantastic and the work of its members almost impeccable. But it's obvious that a lot of people feel "guilty" for likin' non-prog music and tried to justify their "sins" making weird connections. ABBA's inclusion is th e logical step that someday will happen here.
I believe that anyone can exclude the non-prog grops added here. A solution would be just to change the name of he site from ProgArchives to RockArchives. Then the debateswould be about the rockiness of bands, what is something more light and difficult to trace than the progginess (at least to my knowledge).
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Bach, Ma, Bros, Déia, Dante.
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b_olariu
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Posted: January 16 2009 at 05:08 |
What  Abba on prog archives, give me a break. In stead looking for real prog bands this dude moodyxandi explaining his opinion about prog relatd music. Ok after all is his opinion, but not here about Abba. Really this site turns to be some joke of real prog music
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Plankowner
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Posted: January 16 2009 at 00:23 |
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Peter
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Posted: January 15 2009 at 23:42 |
Agnetha and Frida?
 Was that who ol' Philbert was singing about on ABBACRABS? |
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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Vompatti
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Posted: January 15 2009 at 21:29 |
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Yeah, they should be added ASAP!
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jammun
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Posted: January 15 2009 at 21:28 |
Atavachron wrote:
don't know about ABBA, but the ELP/ABBA cover band BABA definitely should be
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That would be The Who/Abba cover band, i.e., Baba O' Abba'.
And we could always throw Beefheart into the mix which would be Abba Zabba Baba Abba.
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Atavachron
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Posted: January 15 2009 at 21:21 |
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don't know about ABBA, but the ELP/ABBA cover band BABA definitely should be
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Padraic
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Posted: January 15 2009 at 21:03 |
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Mamma mia!
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Epignosis
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Posted: January 15 2009 at 20:52 |
Henry Plainview wrote:
Hahaha, this thread is going to be awesome.
Smithers, release the hounds Ivan! The twin blue fonts: but one is dark, and one is light. Who will prevail in the infinite struggle of the ying and yang? |
Post of the month.
And I cower in fear of the Ivan.
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moreitsythanyou
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Posted: January 15 2009 at 20:52 |
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jammun
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Posted: January 15 2009 at 20:33 |
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