Final Approve or Rejection of a Band suggestion.

Henry Plainview wrote: No, my point was that you were making it sound moderatoresque, when you have no powers over the forum;   No, I'm concious of my clearence in this forum   therefore, the personal discussions in the semi-private forum isn't the same. If you're willing to talk about it in front of other people who don't have power over other users, you should be willing to talk about it in front of everyone.   Even when we are not mods, we havce other fubctions and issues that need to be private.   And I think you misunderstood me: I fully support that the Collabs should have their own forum to talk about their decisions or what have you, but people being able to read it wouldn't change anything on that front.   I don't believe so, there are issues that only concern to the Collaborators.   I know it is never going to change, and I don't really care, either. I'm just saying, I personally think it is inappropriate.   I think is perfectly appropriate as in most forums.   If we have to do some work /and it's a lot), if we need to discuss teams issues that are also a lot, if we want to discuss PROBLEMS among two or more teams, if  we have to receive general passwords or clearence to do some things for the forum, privacy is required.   And if M@X needs to say something only to the people that work directly (less than the Adms we know) or give us guidelines, or whatever he wants, he needs his privacy.   Iván

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - October 31 2008 at 20:56

Henry Plainview wrote: You can't see the admin forum, but you also don't have any admin powers, so I don't think it's a fair comparison.   You don't have Collaborators powers, Collaborators dobn't have Special Collaborators powers, everything works like this, each one has their section to discuss issues that should be kept in eachb section.   I would say that all of those are topics that should be discussed via PM between the parties involved or in the open forum instead of in your semi-secret forum for people who have no authority over the forum itself.   Can you add bands? Can you modify information? Is there any reason for a member or a troll to know that his cadse is being discussrd?   Maybe some powers, even when small, but we have some, and we gained them with hours and/or years of work here.   BTW: Sometimes the issues between teams and collaborators have to be discussed in a restricted area but with the knowledge of the other collaborators, we can't do it on an open forum.   Except for 2, I'm not sure what that means, and I don't see the problem with people seeing 5--it's not like some random noob jackass can butt in and extend the thread forever. ;-)   Yes they will, we have modified groups of 30 bands per session in two pages of discussion, many of this bands like King Crimson, Gentle Giant, VDGG (All moved from Symphonic), would had taken months each one   But at the end, neither the administrators, you or I have created this system, it has been created by the owners and neither you or me can change it, it works for us and that's how a system is judged.   Iván.

I used to have a little cat named Yoda, was a orange one, but my ex wife took me over so i haven't see then...

Edited by zafreth - October 31 2008 at 14:55

and BTW nice cats

Raff wrote: I'd like the site to stay a source of fun and relaxation, not a reproduction of a work environment without the pay.

Hear, hear!

Personally, I wouldn't have a problem sharing my band evaluation in Suggest New Bands, and discussing it there rather than in a team thread.  It can get cumbersome and very time consuming thought when one is discussing merits with many people, and therefore having to spend much more time responding to points.  An advantage is that now sometimes band discussions take place in many team threads (deciding which category it would fit best), and things sometimes slip through the cracks.  Discussing it between teams in a central topic, as well as getting other opinions, can be very helpful.  Also, I do think it important that people know where their suggestions stand.  There has to be give and take, though.  It should be understood by suggesters that when a decision has been reached that it's improper to moan and groan, or argue about it.  Respect the decision even if one doesn't agree with it.  We can't spend forever arguing and counter-arguing positions.  Also, it should be understood that the suggester is willing to prepare the materials for addition after a decision is reached (I have quite a few bands I suggested that were accepted that I still haven't prepared the bios for -- they take me a long time to write and it can only be when there are limited distractions, and I have enough free time -- usually late at night, but I'm very tired these days, work at night, and take care of my kids during the day).

That said, different teams work in different ways.

I'll try again, and once again I'm not proposing any changes. There does seem to be a relcutance though to understand the genuine reasons behind the proposal. Simply putting up the shutters and saying that any questioning of a decision is wrong and insulting misses the point.

Henry Plainview wrote: Well of course all this could be avoided if all members could view but not post in the Collab Zone. But of course you guys need your elitist club. ;-)

1. Like problems among Collaborators
2. Discussions among teams
3. Issues that the owners or Adms need to keep in a reduced group 
4. Personal issues
5. Debates about bands we want to keep short. (In the open forums last longer) 
6. Discussions about behaviour in the open forums
7. Many more

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - October 30 2008 at 22:00

it would be nice... but in my mind it simply isn't practical to do....  as I've said.. if someone wants an explanation about a decision... I have a PM box.... but prog is extremely subjective.. no matter how people recently have tried to make mathematics out of it and prove something is prog... in the end... it comes down to the taste test...  does it taste like prog to you... does it feel like prog.. do you feel it has a place here.  That sh*t can not be explained.  Prog is not a science.. and trying to discuss it as such is stupid.. and  a waste of time. 

my two cents on it.

micky wrote: Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: Easy Livin wrote: Clearly there's a balance Ivan and I was not proposing any change, just a recognition of the reasons behind the various perspectives here.   I know Bob, I see your point, but my point is that if we start a thread explaining why a band is rejected in an oipen forum, God knows how it will end.   Iván agreed.. just made a post, thread, in the SC zone regarding this.. and deleted it.  Mainly because you said what I said... only much less inflammatory and much more succinctly. (imagine that sh*t huh) open forum is NOT the place to discuss what goes on behind closed doors regarding team decisions.  we call them as we see them... agree or disagree.. don't care.. just respect it as the decision we come to honestly