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The Doctor 
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 Topic: PA's Battle to Stardom A7: VDGG v. The Mars Volta
Posted: September 20 2008 at 10:58 |
No contest! I imagine TMV will have the same chance against VDGG as NSync would have up against Gabriel-led Genesis. 
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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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Peter
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Posted: September 20 2008 at 10:54 |
 Moatilliatta wrote:
^You watched what? And I don't think watching a random video is a good way of checking out a band. I doubt, based on your tastes that you would love them, but their first album is very melodic and structured. Also, it's far less dissonant and there are no obnoxious vocal effects. There's definitely dissonance, but it's not put in the foreground as much as the new material. |
Don't worry -- that was not a rushed, one-source-only judgement. There used to be more sonic samples, which I listened to before, and someone sent me some once to check out.
The video (the only one still available on that page link) was something with "Mussogorsky" in the title.
Yeah, my tastes don't extend in that direction, but I CAN hear the talent in TMV, so I am open to conversion re other material, but (understandably) sceptical.
I did not want to ruffle any fans' feathers last night -- I was just trying to be honest, and give my gut reactions as I heard the music. 
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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Moatilliatta
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Posted: September 20 2008 at 02:19 |
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^You watched what? And I don't think watching a random video is a good way of checking out a band. I doubt, based on your tastes that you would love them, but their first album is very melodic and structured. Also, it's far less dissonant and there are no obnoxious vocal effects. There's definitely dissonance, but it's not put in the foreground as much as the new material.
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Peter
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Posted: September 20 2008 at 01:33 |
I really like VDGG. They were prog pioneers, and they still have it. Good dark, spooky music (but with generous amounts of beauty, too), great lyrics, unique, never-boring vocals. 
(But admittedly a "difficult" band for many, polarizing even as prog bands go.)
I really couldn't stomach the Mars Volta I heard here before. It seemed to me that they were just being weird & chaotic for the sake of being weird & chaotic -- I found them distinctly non-musical, and the vocals particularly grated on me. Perhaps they are talented musicians, but the music was sheer sonic torture to me. I need more structure, melody, majesty, beauty and meaning in my prog. I heard precious little of that in the tracks I tried. 
Sorry.
Edit:
Yep -- I just tried to get through the one working video, the supposed "Mussogorsky" thing, and those screamy vocals make me want to blow my brains out!  On top of that, the music and drumming are way too fast and grating for me, though I CAN tell that they are capable of playing music I would find accessible.
Call me too old for it, if you like. I find it nightmarish, like Bagdhad & terror-type war or a massive traffic accident rendered as "music."
But you young'uns enjoy -- each generation has to come up with music to drive their parents up the wall, it seems, and I guess TMV is yours. 
The guitar is not too bad when things slow down, but as with death-type growling vocals a la Opeth, I can't wade through all of that noise just for a few fleeting moments of what I consider decent music. 
No disrespect intended -- just very far from my thing, at least at this point in my life.
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 Yeah -- I want to shoot the singer! Must turn... it ...OFF!!!
click!
 ah! WTF wazzat?  zzzzzzzzzzz....
Edited by Peter - September 20 2008 at 02:07
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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Moatilliatta
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Posted: September 20 2008 at 01:02 |
sleeper wrote:
Though I really like The Mars Volta, its hard not to vote for Van der Graaf Generator. |
No it isn't.
In theory, at least.
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sleeper
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Posted: September 19 2008 at 11:20 |
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Though I really like The Mars Volta, its hard not to vote for Van der Graaf Generator.
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horsewithteeth11
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Posted: September 19 2008 at 10:57 |
HughesJB4 wrote:
trackstoni wrote:
i had one album for tmv and 8 for van der graaf before this poll . after reviewing all reviews concerning tmv in 24 hours and getting another album for tmv , and all their clips from you tube , i can say now for sure , they have no chance to beat VDGG by any means , not even close to , so try another tricks while throwing yur opinions PunkProgers ///////////////////////// it's obvious !!!! |
If you're implying TMV is punk prog, you're not even in the playing field, missed the mark by miles.
Anyone that knows anything about punk knows TMV have some post hardcore elements, but it's hardly a huge feature of TMV's sound.
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Posted: September 19 2008 at 08:52 |
trackstoni wrote:
i had one album for tmv and 8 for van der graaf before this poll . after reviewing all reviews concerning tmv in 24 hours and getting another album for tmv , and all their clips from you tube , i can say now for sure , they have no chance to beat VDGG by any means , not even close to , so try another tricks while throwing yur opinions PunkProgers ///////////////////////// it's obvious !!!! |
If you're implying TMV is punk prog, you're not even in the playing field, missed the mark by miles. Anyone that knows anything about punk knows TMV have some post hardcore elements, but it's hardly a huge feature of TMV's sound.
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Posted: September 19 2008 at 08:49 |
Moatilliatta wrote:
I knew this would happen, but for me The Mars Volta is the clear winner. |
My thoughts exactly. I prefer TMV anyday, but they aren't as well known in prog circles anyway.
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Posted: September 19 2008 at 06:35 |
Van Der Graaf Generator, with masterpieces such as 'Godbluff' and 'Still Life', but not by a mile.
The Mars Volta switch to and fro between irritating and real good music, but they are one of the most interesting and innovative prog bands of today.
Edited by someone_else - September 19 2008 at 06:37
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Posted: September 18 2008 at 13:17 |
NaturalScience wrote:
TGM: Orb wrote:
Sigh.
H To He, Who Am The Only One - 6 stars, my second favourite album of all time
Godbluff - 5 stars (top 20 albums of all time)
Pawn Hearts - 5 Stars (top 20 albums of all time)
Still Life - 5 Stars (top 20 albums of all time, just about)
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will give a listen to the samples, but seriously, I'd be stunned if TMV even came close.
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Not an uncommon opinion it seems.
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Well, at least it's been an interesting result. There are even many more other matches that I'm looking forward to since I think they'll be alot closer. Overall I've been happy with the voting turnouts so far, especially since a decent amount of the matches have been pretty close.
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Padraic
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Posted: September 18 2008 at 13:15 |
TGM: Orb wrote:
Sigh.
H To He, Who Am The Only One - 6 stars, my second favourite album of all time
Godbluff - 5 stars (top 20 albums of all time)
Pawn Hearts - 5 Stars (top 20 albums of all time)
Still Life - 5 Stars (top 20 albums of all time, just about)
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will give a listen to the samples, but seriously, I'd be stunned if TMV even came close.
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Not an uncommon opinion it seems.
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: September 18 2008 at 13:14 |
TGM: Orb wrote:
Sigh.
H To He, Who Am The Only One - 6 stars, my second favourite album of all time
Godbluff - 5 stars (top 20 albums of all time)
Pawn Hearts - 5 Stars (top 20 albums of all time)
Still Life - 5 Stars (top 20 albums of all time, just about)
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will give a listen to the samples, but seriously, I'd be stunned if TMV even came close.
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I would be stunned too. You love VDGG way too much to vote for anything else; I don't blame you. Thanks for listening to the samples though! That's one of the main points of these polls. 
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TGM: Orb
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Posted: September 18 2008 at 13:13 |
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Sigh.
H To He, Who Am The Only One - 6 stars, my second favourite album of all time
Godbluff - 5 stars (top 20 albums of all time)
Pawn Hearts - 5 Stars (top 20 albums of all time)
Still Life - 5 Stars (top 20 albums of all time, just about)
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will give a listen to the samples, but seriously, I'd be stunned if TMV even came close.
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: September 18 2008 at 13:13 |
febus wrote:
trackstoni wrote:
i had one album for tmv and 8 for van der graaf before this poll . after reviewing all reviews concerning tmv in 24 hours and getting another album for tmv , and all their clips from you tube , i can say now for sure , they have no chance to beat VDGG by any means , not even close to , so try another tricks while throwing yur opinions PunkProgers ///////////////////////// it's obvious !!!! |
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Thanks! The results of this get more upsetting every time I look though.   Oh, and with your signature/picture combination... it actually makes me want to bring out some old Floyd CDs... I haven't listened to them in at least over a year and a half. I just might do that.
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Posted: September 18 2008 at 12:15 |
febus wrote:
Who's he???? 
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That's what I meant. Or is that just even more confusing 
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Alberto Muņoz
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Posted: September 18 2008 at 11:58 |
Both bands are good.
But Van Der Graff is BETTER than The Mars Volta.
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febus
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Posted: September 18 2008 at 11:41 |
trackstoni wrote:
i had one album for tmv and 8 for van der graaf before this poll . after reviewing all reviews concerning tmv in 24 hours and getting another album for tmv , and all their clips from you tube , i can say now for sure , they have no chance to beat VDGG by any means , not even close to , so try another tricks while throwing yur opinions PunkProgers ///////////////////////// it's obvious !!!! |
Antoine
Edited by febus - September 18 2008 at 13:13
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: September 18 2008 at 10:51 |
trackstoni wrote:
i had one album for tmv and 8 for van der graaf before this poll . after reviewing all reviews concerning tmv in 24 hours and getting another album for tmv , and all their clips from you tube , i can say now for sure , they have no chance to beat VDGG by any means , not even close to , so try another tricks while throwing yur opinions PunkProgers ///////////////////////// it's obvious !!!! |
It's all opinion.  I absolutely love The Mars Volta; they're extremely talented (Omar knows alot of music theory) and they create something completely unique that I personally love with all 4 albums. VDGG never hit me, but that's all just my experience. I do like them okay though. You act like I'm a heathen for not absolutely loving VDGG. 
Edited by MovingPictures07 - September 18 2008 at 10:51
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trackstoni
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Posted: September 18 2008 at 10:45 |
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i had one album for tmv and 8 for van der graaf before this poll . after reviewing all reviews concerning tmv in 24 hours and getting another album for tmv , and all their clips from you tube , i can say now for sure , they have no chance to beat VDGG by any means , not even close to , so try another tricks while throwing yur opinions PunkProgers ///////////////////////// it's obvious !!!!
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PA's Battle to Stardom A7: VDGG v. The Mars Volta
...and your first name is Antoine too...my gosh.........................good job Alex!
