"Studio Improvisation" artists... bad/good?

mrcozdude wrote: i think its essential in creativity.   I heard pink floyd went in the studio one at a time and just played whatever and made it an album,any know if its true and what album?

superprog wrote: Just bec it doesnt sound melodic or structured does it always mean its improv?

70% - it does, 30% - it doesn't.

hmmm in the case of Nurse With Wound and MB their earliest works were very improvised / on-the-spot simply bec they HAD to be esp in the case of NWW; ppl w ideas and desire to make music / sounds but w/o the usual technique and skill or even eqipment.

But later on esp in NWW's case the stuff he put out later was def not improvised in any sense, the man had learnt how to use the mixing desk as his instrument to get the sounds and feel he wanted.  just bec it doesnt sound melodic or structured does it always mean its improv?

Thandrus wrote: Hi guys, I was just thinking about albums made by tape looping, electronic manipulations and other "non-instrumental" sources... And I got the feeling that quite bit of it is made in whatever-it-will-be mode... I mean they just record not knowing how it will sound... Complete improvisation, to put it short.   So my question is: how we could differ in this kind of musicians who is bad and who is good?

Being an audio engineering student with a love of experimentation I know exactly what you're talking about. If you need examples of bands that do it well though I have 2 words for you - Kraut. Rock.

Thandrus wrote: Good opinions, guys, but I meand a different kind of improvisation.... Not an Improv like King Crimson, Porcupine Tree and others are doing.   To express myself better, just an example: Imagine that Maurizio Bianchi is making His n-th album... He takes tapes, makes loops, collects some noises and then records it. Not to say it's easy but many can do the same without training 30 years to become a virtuoso. So if many can do it, and are actually doing it, so why we see M.B. as a legend and do not know or rate high other such manipulators?

To say it in different words: electronic music could be made by blind, deaf, one-handed granny. And that's true. But would it be good as electronic music made by an experienced artist? I don't think so. It could be, but there's much less chance.

Thandrus, let us not  fool ourselves: those electronic/avangarde composers who have no virtuoso skills at all and who are only able to make same tape loops and blips and burps...well..even the most notorious charlatan who is into that kind of business (unless is a complete idiot) will very soon learn a few things...it's not only "oh, let's see what will happen if I press this button" because people learn about waveforms, filters, modulations and many other things...and very soon they will know that machine will start to hiss with resonance.

Any unexperienced kid could make techno music on his computer nowadays. Some of that music could be good if some of those kids are gifted...they have an opportunity to uses 128 digital channels, polyphonic sequnces, millions of samples...but if someone on that equipment ignores all the opportunities and  makes a single monophonic 8-step sequence in pentatonic scale with basic sawtooth waveform, I will be sure that guy is influenced by Tangerine Dream.

So, experienced musician will be recognized with expereinced listener.

Good opinions, guys, but I meand a different kind of improvisation.... Not an Improv like King Crimson, Porcupine Tree and others are doing.

Everything is improvised, otherwise it could not have been written. Do you mean improvised in the moment?
Is it really improvised anyway? You have all the bands/artists you are listening to within yourself as well as your musical skill/theoretical knowledge .

Shakespeare wrote: Yeah, I do. 1) In case I judged them prematurely and am missing out on music and actualy DO like (a lot of people dislike Magma, and I always think that actually DO like them, they just have to give them a better chance...) 2) So that I can build arguments against that kind of music/discover WHY I dislike this band. 3) It's funny

1. If I don't like a band immediately I will also re-listen a couple of times. However, I don't view that as listening to bands I don't like.

2. Same as above

3. Haha, yeah, to some extent. But it can become painful after a while!

Shakespeare wrote: Of course, there are limits. I won't listen to pop/rap/hip-hop/crappy standard rock, but I will listen to over the top metal bands. As long as it's prog or prog related, I give it more than a few chances.

I think you will have to listen to it in order to know whether or not it's crappy...

I don't listen to music i don't like.. but that's not really a problem, because i've found that there is really no music i don't like! Or at least a lot less than there used to be....... aaaand.... studio improvisations.... well, yeah. I guess.

Shakespeare wrote: I listen to music I dislike all the time.

I do too. Being exposed to it in certain situations, and I also encounter stuff I don't like while looking for stuff I might like. I don't listen to music I don't like on purpose, though. Do you?