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SoundsofSeasons 
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 Topic: Is the USA a big bully these days?
Posted: August 03 2007 at 16:13 |
 StyLaZyn wrote:
SoundsofSeasons wrote:
StyLaZyn wrote:
Yup, and that says a lot about the whole thing. Armor and Sword speaks about the tragedy of that.
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Well...just don't take all your view's from Neil Peart. I like Snakes and Arrows just as much as the next Rush fan, but i really doubt he's ever been to a church service in his life. He's probably not the best person to look up to about religious matters. |
OK...way off topic:
Being that I was an active Christian (Bible study and school classes included) for over 20 years, I think I can make my own decisions without the help of others. But it just so happens I agree with his points. His thoughts are not unique. Whether he has been to church matters not. His view comes from an outsider looking in, globally. While I don't particularly agree with all he says, I do respect his opinion. |
lol, ok i think were having crossed wires here  , i don't really know where your going. I see what you mean, ill end it there.
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1 Chronicles 13:7-9
Then David and all Israel played music before God with all their might, with singing, on harps, on stringed instruments, on tambourines, on cymbals, and with trumpets.
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: August 03 2007 at 16:07 |
SoundsofSeasons wrote:
StyLaZyn wrote:
Yup, and that says a lot about the whole thing. Armor and Sword speaks about the tragedy of that.
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Well...just don't take all your view's from Neil Peart. I like Snakes and Arrows just as much as the next Rush fan, but i really doubt he's ever been to a church service in his life. He's probably not the best person to look up to about religious matters. |
OK...way off topic:
Being that I was an active Christian (Bible study and school classes included) for over 20 years, I think I can make my own decisions without the help of others. But it just so happens I agree with his points. His thoughts are not unique. Whether he has been to church matters not. His view comes from an outsider looking in, globally. While I don't particularly agree with all he says, I do respect his opinion.
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SoundsofSeasons
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Posted: August 03 2007 at 16:00 |
StyLaZyn wrote:
Yup, and that says a lot about the whole thing. Armor and Sword speaks about the tragedy of that.
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Well...just don't take all your view's from Neil Peart. I like Snakes and Arrows just as much as the next Rush fan, but i really doubt he's ever been to a church service in his life. He's probably not the best person to look up to about religious matters.
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1 Chronicles 13:7-9
Then David and all Israel played music before God with all their might, with singing, on harps, on stringed instruments, on tambourines, on cymbals, and with trumpets.
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: August 03 2007 at 15:35 |
SoundsofSeasons wrote:
Don't forget, Christians are just as 'in it' for themselves as everyone else. |
Yup, and that says a lot about the whole thing. Armor and Sword speaks about the tragedy of that.
Edited by StyLaZyn - August 03 2007 at 15:36
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SoundsofSeasons
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Posted: August 03 2007 at 15:31 |
StyLaZyn wrote:
SoundsofSeasons wrote:
StyLaZyn wrote:
SoundsofSeasons wrote:
"I don't have faith in faith, I don't believe in beliefs." - NP
^Obviously... why don't you run our country. |
I hope you are not trying to bring religious values into this. |
The faith part... as in other people. No i would not do that to you. |
In the case of the quote, faith pertains to religious faith. Not faith in a people, per se.
Good, because Dubya is about the biggest Christian hypocrite, in my eyes.
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Don't forget, Christians are just as 'in it' for themselves as everyone else. There will always be Christian hypocrite's, and usually because they are projecting on someone else because of insecurities or problems they are having themselves. Not all are this way, but many unfortunately fall into this category, because in the end we are all human. Religion does not change who a person is, if anything they only realize what value's or idea's they should be upholding according to that religion. Realizing the difference between right and wrong doesn't change where you stand.
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1 Chronicles 13:7-9
Then David and all Israel played music before God with all their might, with singing, on harps, on stringed instruments, on tambourines, on cymbals, and with trumpets.
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thellama73
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Posted: August 03 2007 at 15:27 |
StyLaZyn wrote:
SoundsofSeasons wrote:
StyLaZyn wrote:
SoundsofSeasons wrote:
"I don't have faith in faith, I don't believe in beliefs." - NP
^Obviously... why don't you run our country. |
I hope you are not trying to bring religious values into this. |
The faith part... as in other people. No i would not do that to you. |
In the case of the quote, faith pertains to religious faith. Not faith in a people, per se.
Good, because Dubya is about the biggest Christian hypocrite, in my eyes.
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Yeah, if he were a real Christian he would have anyone who works on the Sabbath executed as God commands in the book of Exodus.
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: August 03 2007 at 15:22 |
SoundsofSeasons wrote:
StyLaZyn wrote:
SoundsofSeasons wrote:
"I don't have faith in faith, I don't believe in beliefs." - NP
^Obviously... why don't you run our country. |
I hope you are not trying to bring religious values into this. |
The faith part... as in other people. No i would not do that to you. |
In the case of the quote, faith pertains to religious faith. Not faith in a people, per se.
Good, because Dubya is about the biggest Christian hypocrite, in my eyes.
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SoundsofSeasons
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Posted: August 03 2007 at 15:19 |
StyLaZyn wrote:
SoundsofSeasons wrote:
"I don't have faith in faith, I don't believe in beliefs." - NP
^Obviously... why don't you run our country. |
I hope you are not trying to bring religious values into this. |
The faith part... as in other people. No i would not do that to you.
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1 Chronicles 13:7-9
Then David and all Israel played music before God with all their might, with singing, on harps, on stringed instruments, on tambourines, on cymbals, and with trumpets.
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: August 03 2007 at 15:18 |
SoundsofSeasons wrote:
"I don't have faith in faith, I don't believe in beliefs." - NP
^Obviously... why don't you run our country. |
I hope you are not trying to bring religious values into this.
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SoundsofSeasons
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Posted: August 03 2007 at 15:14 |
"I don't have faith in faith, I don't believe in beliefs." - NP
^Obviously... why don't you run our country.
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1 Chronicles 13:7-9
Then David and all Israel played music before God with all their might, with singing, on harps, on stringed instruments, on tambourines, on cymbals, and with trumpets.
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: August 03 2007 at 15:12 |
SoundsofSeasons wrote:
O.K. Exactly how is this thread being allowed to be continued? What happened to threads not being allowed if they are insulting? Im very insulted by this thread right now. If your going to do a thread like this, i believe there should be three more saying...
1. Is Japan a big bully?
2. Is Mexico a big bully?
3. Is ___ a big bully?
Seriously, this is like the take a shot at Bush thread or something. If not, it could also be the take a shot at the American people for allowing things to happen thread. Seriously, give me a freikin break.  . |
Well I am 100% American and I started this thread. If you don't see a problem with Bush and Co, I'm very sorry.
And I fault the American people for allowing him a second term. I voted for him the first term but not the second go around. I swear he has people that do nothing but find loopholes for him to get away with the things he does. I clearly see his administration as corrupt to the point of being evil. 2009 can't come quick enough for me.
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thellama73
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Posted: August 03 2007 at 15:06 |
It's because all the admins are liberal Europeans who hate America. (just kidding! Don't punish me  )
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SoundsofSeasons
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Posted: August 03 2007 at 15:03 |
O.K. Exactly how is this thread being allowed to be continued? What happened to threads not being allowed if they are insulting? Im very insulted by this thread right now. If your going to do a thread like this, i believe there should be three more saying...
1. Is Japan a big bully?
2. Is Mexico a big bully?
3. Is ___ a big bully?
Seriously, this is like the take a shot at Bush thread or something. If not, it could also be the take a shot at the American people for allowing things to happen thread. Seriously, give me a freikin break. . |
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1 Chronicles 13:7-9
Then David and all Israel played music before God with all their might, with singing, on harps, on stringed instruments, on tambourines, on cymbals, and with trumpets.
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ClassicRocker
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Posted: July 19 2007 at 01:33 |
Yes, we are. 
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: June 28 2007 at 12:17 |
StyLaZyn wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
StyLaZyn wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Which is why I think that introductory Macro should be a standard high school level course. |
I think one of the biggest problems with US society, and related to politics, is that schools don't educate on how its economy actually works. If you notice, aren't the majority of US politicians finacially secure? And they represent the common man? There is a serious disconnect.
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I don't know how those two statements relate to each other but
if a disparity of the sizes of two men's bankaccounts amounts to there being an unbridgeable disconnect between them, then we have much deeper issues as a society than representatives not representing their constituents. |
Getting off topic, but...
You are correct. The statements don't relate as so much make an observation. Perhaps it would be better to say that US politicians exhibit a more solid understanding of capitalism than that of the common man if one derives that through observing their bank accounts.
However, I also believe that preservation of their bank accounts may interfere with other decisions. In other words, it would be foolish to believe they would vote in favor of tax increases based on higher incomes. Currently, the American middle class is most effected by being taxed. The rich continue to get richer and the poor get poorer. The majority of the middle class moves in the direction of the poorer.
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It does for some no doubt, but there are plenty of people who are men of principle. Wander over to the Ron Paul 2008 thread.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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IVNORD
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Posted: June 28 2007 at 12:13 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
IVNORD wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
IVNORD wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
IVNORD wrote:
If we codified anti-globalization policies capitalism wouldn't be compromised but manufacturing jobs wouldn't be lost. Can you imagine how complex the code should be? Capitalism is based on free markets. Stiff regulations are a threat to it. Protectionism is one of them. Actually, the latest debate is triggered more by the loss of white-collar jobs (manufacturing jobs migration is going on for years, see my original message), so most of it is political. Politicians don't do anything about it as nothing can be done, but they talk a lot as talk is cheap and people like it.
^ I agree. I think many people are against globalism because of nothing more than a romanticizing of the past.
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People tend to romanticize the past, they turn extremely nostalgic when the times get rough. So they liked Reagan during the recession of 1990, now they remember Clinton not realizing he was greatly responsible for the present state of affairs. The same goes for globalization - people don't understand the nature of the process. Th ebest example is Lou Dobbs of CNN. The man had it for quite a while when at the end of his program he listed US companies outsourcing jobs (now he's on a crusade against illegal aliens) |
Which is why I think that introductory Macro should be a standard high school level course. |
Are you referring to macro-economics? That won't happen in the near future. THe system of public education is conceived in such a way that the population is given minimal necessary education. It makes it easier to govern. |
Yes. Since I don't like dabbling in conspiracy theories thats about as far as I'll go with this. |
No conspiracy here (I'm no fan of it either), rather a mix of human nature and economics. It's always been that way. People get as much education as needed to have enough ability to work.
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: June 28 2007 at 11:26 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
StyLaZyn wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Which is why I think that introductory Macro should be a standard high school level course. |
I think one of the biggest problems with US society, and related to politics, is that schools don't educate on how its economy actually works. If you notice, aren't the majority of US politicians finacially secure? And they represent the common man? There is a serious disconnect.
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I don't know how those two statements relate to each other but
if a disparity of the sizes of two men's bankaccounts amounts to there being an unbridgeable disconnect between them, then we have much deeper issues as a society than representatives not representing their constituents. |
Getting off topic, but...
You are correct. The statements don't relate as so much make an observation. Perhaps it would be better to say that US politicians exhibit a more solid understanding of capitalism than that of the common man if one derives that through observing their bank accounts.
However, I also believe that preservation of their bank accounts may interfere with other decisions. In other words, it would be foolish to believe they would vote in favor of tax increases based on higher incomes. Currently, the American middle class is most effected by being taxed. The rich continue to get richer and the poor get poorer. The majority of the middle class moves in the direction of the poorer.
Edited by StyLaZyn - June 28 2007 at 11:29
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: June 28 2007 at 11:15 |
StyLaZyn wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Which is why I think that introductory Macro should be a standard high school level course. |
I think one of the biggest problems with US society, and related to politics, is that schools don't educate on how its economy actually works. If you notice, aren't the majority of US politicians finacially secure? And they represent the common man? There is a serious disconnect.
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I don't know how those two statements relate to each other but
if a disparity of the sizes of two men's bankaccounts amounts to there being an unbridgeable disconnect between them, then we have much deeper issues as a society than representatives not representing their constituents.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: June 28 2007 at 11:11 |
IVNORD wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
IVNORD wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
IVNORD wrote:
If we codified anti-globalization policies capitalism wouldn't be compromised but manufacturing jobs wouldn't be lost. Can you imagine how complex the code should be? Capitalism is based on free markets. Stiff regulations are a threat to it. Protectionism is one of them. Actually, the latest debate is triggered more by the loss of white-collar jobs (manufacturing jobs migration is going on for years, see my original message), so most of it is political. Politicians don't do anything about it as nothing can be done, but they talk a lot as talk is cheap and people like it.
^ I agree. I think many people are against globalism because of nothing more than a romanticizing of the past.
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People tend to romanticize the past, they turn extremely nostalgic when the times get rough. So they liked Reagan during the recession of 1990, now they remember Clinton not realizing he was greatly responsible for the present state of affairs. The same goes for globalization - people don't understand the nature of the process. Th ebest example is Lou Dobbs of CNN. The man had it for quite a while when at the end of his program he listed US companies outsourcing jobs (now he's on a crusade against illegal aliens) |
Which is why I think that introductory Macro should be a standard high school level course. |
Are you referring to macro-economics? That won't happen in the near future. THe system of public education is conceived in such a way that the population is given minimal necessary education. It makes it easier to govern. |
Yes. Since I don't like dabbling in conspiracy theories thats about as far as I'll go with this.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: June 28 2007 at 09:15 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Which is why I think that introductory Macro should be a standard high school level course. |
I think one of the biggest problems with US society, and related to politics, is that schools don't educate on how its economy actually works. If you notice, aren't the majority of US politicians finacially secure? And they represent the common man? There is a serious disconnect.
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