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    Posted: July 08 2005 at 00:06
Anyone use a mac and/ or garageband for recording?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 03 2005 at 05:15
If you're using a softsynth, yes. If you're using straight MIDI sounds off the soundcard, there won't be any noticeable latency in any situation.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 03 2005 at 00:44
Originally posted by James Lee James Lee wrote:

There's an issue called 'latency' which may come up depending on the software you use. Basically, latency is the gap between when you press a key on your keyboard and when the sound actually starts. The lower latency the better, and it depends on things like how good your soundcard is and how powerful your PC is.



[to re-open an old thread...]

to: JL or anybody ...
with my current setup i'm not experiencing any latency at all.

...however, if i attach a keyboard to the pc (via midi), will that increase the chances of latency occuring ?

as always, grazie per il vostro tempo 








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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2005 at 06:11
Originally posted by BenRush BenRush wrote:

The first version was a little too much about break beat styles. The second one has a huge sound bank so has a wider range. Very easy to use and uses so little CPU power.


This is good news. As a prog musician, nothing is more annoying than getting a new bit of hardwear or software only to find that it forces you to make 'dance' music.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2005 at 05:22
The first version was a little too much about break beat styles. The second one has a huge sound bank so has a wider range. Very easy to use and uses so little CPU power.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2005 at 05:15
Originally posted by BenRush BenRush wrote:

I just bought Stylus by spectrasonics for my studio, awsome vsti with 7.5 gigs of drum loops and sounds.



Cool! How does it sound?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2005 at 12:15

I just bought Stylus by spectrasonics for my studio, awsome vsti with 7.5 gigs of drum loops and sounds.

 

My home studio comprises PC with 3GHz cpu 2 Gb ram SATA 200Gb drive running Cubase SX and loads of VSTi synths inc Reason 2.5. There is so much good stuff out there now.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2005 at 05:14
Originally posted by utah_man utah_man wrote:

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Good advice, thanks very much


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 15 2005 at 21:43
Originally posted by James Lee James Lee wrote:

virtual instruments are triggered via MIDI; you can plug a keyboard into the PC (most use a MIDI connection but some have USB also) and play them that way, but I often simply place the notes where I need them in the instrument's 'track window' and keep editing until they sound right. In any case, you don't necessarily need a keyboard to use them, but it's a good thing to have if you like experimenting with sounds over your other tracks.

There's an issue called 'latency' which may come up depending on the software you use. Basically, latency is the gap between when you press a key on your keyboard and when the sound actually starts. The lower latency the better, and it depends on things like how good your soundcard is and how powerful your PC is. When the first VSTs came out, I couldn't play them in real time at all (ever try to play an instrument that was a half a second late all the time?) but technology has helped the situation...though Sonar still responds more quickly than Cubase in my set-up.

virtual effects don't require any controller, but you can get them to do fun things by recording and editing changes in their parameters...



Ok, I understand what you mean with regard to these issues.  And now that you mention it, it does make sense - "latency" I mean.

For now I'm going to have to just try to "tweak" the sound files I've got on my PC (Mellotron, Hammond B3, Moog samples, etc. ) - The software I'm currently using has the ability to take any given sound note and change / save it as any other given sound note.  Example: I've taken a middle C (Mellotron) and completely converted it to a G, an E, F, etc. etc. (along with the corresponding sharps and flats).  The neat thing is, I have been able to do this and not lose any resolution in this "conversion".  It's not all that time consuming either.

The downside: I have to be real clever as to how I can actually "play" a melody line with all these Mellotron notes inside the computer and transfer that to a multi-track.  But I'm slowly perfecting my system...

The upside is: It's Economical, and very challenging.

Thanks again for your time James




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 15 2005 at 20:00

virtual instruments are triggered via MIDI; you can plug a keyboard into the PC (most use a MIDI connection but some have USB also) and play them that way, but I often simply place the notes where I need them in the instrument's 'track window' and keep editing until they sound right. In any case, you don't necessarily need a keyboard to use them, but it's a good thing to have if you like experimenting with sounds over your other tracks.

There's an issue called 'latency' which may come up depending on the software you use. Basically, latency is the gap between when you press a key on your keyboard and when the sound actually starts. The lower latency the better, and it depends on things like how good your soundcard is and how powerful your PC is. When the first VSTs came out, I couldn't play them in real time at all (ever try to play an instrument that was a half a second late all the time?) but technology has helped the situation...though Sonar still responds more quickly than Cubase in my set-up.

virtual effects don't require any controller, but you can get them to do fun things by recording and editing changes in their parameters...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 15 2005 at 15:33
Originally posted by James Lee James Lee wrote:

I've never had much luck with AMD- they perform great but tend to run way too hot. Add that to the high-end graphics cards I use, plus the general climate here in the desert...I've had PCs burn out more than once. So make sure if you go AMD you have something more than a case fan or two to keep everything cool.

That certainly used to be the case, but they're pretty much the same as Intel these days. I stopped building machines with Intel Inside a couple of years ago, as AMD are 1) MUCH cheaper and 2) just as powerful - more bang for the buck.

As a PC building enthusiast, I tend to plan my rigs from the case upwards, so tend to start with a case designed for good airflow - preferably aluminium - with plenty of fan bays.

Two are required; One in front, orientated such that it takes air into the case. The other is needed at the rear, as an exhaust - in addition to the one that comes with the PSU. It's not too hard to track down quiet fans, and fan controller units that fit into a drive bay are a handy way of monitoring heat and adjusting the fans if less noise or more cooling is required. Silent PSUs are a good investment, and it's better to get a decent heatsink/fan unit than use the one that ships with CPUs. Heat also builds up around the disk drives, so round cables (for good case airflow) and a disk cooling fan are useful additions, but refer to my note at the end of the next paragraph.

Your music studio PC won't need a stonking graphics card, so a low-end GF4 is not only cheap, but doesn't need another fan on it to create more noise; Graphics card fans are not as straightforward to find replacements for, and you really want as little noise in the case as possible, as it finds its way into your recordings.

The ultimate cooling system is a water-cooler, which is silent. They're fairly expensive, and you'll still have noise from your HDD and PSU - but that's all. The case can be lined with fairly inexpensive sound-absorbing material for the final touches.

The sound card/unit should be external, or have a "break-out" box to really minimise noise.

Originally posted by utah_man utah_man wrote:

Now this software ACID that several of you guys mentioned, is it the same thing as made by Sony ?
My internet search results came up with some puzzling info...

Yes

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 15 2005 at 11:13

Originally posted by utah_man utah_man wrote:


Need advice for setting up a low-budget, "bare-bones" home recording studio:
(Maybe this topic has already been dealt with)
But, if you already have one in operation, then...

1)
What kind of setup do you have as far as equipment (multi-track units, mixers, microphones, and so forth) ?

2) Assuming you edit recordings via computer, what software do you use / prefer ?

3) Any good internet links, tips, or relevant (and cost saving) suggestions ?

Thank You for your time 

 

For entry-level with a lot of features:

Stand-Alone Recorder - The new TASCAM 8-track DAW's are great values for the money, and can be interfaced with a computer

http://www.tascam.com/Products/dp01fx.html

http://www.tascam.com/Products/dp01.html

Software: CUBASE SE is a great package, $99 (US) and it gives you TONS Of features (48-tracks of audio, unlimited midi, good editing and plug-in support etc)

http://www.steinberg.net/ProductPage_sb.asp?Product_ID=2141& amp;Langue_ID=7

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 15 2005 at 11:10
Originally posted by sigod sigod wrote:

There are two golden rules that I always use when recording and both are dull, non-sexy things that can work wonders for the quality of your work.

1. Take a lot of time getting a good sound at source before you record. It saves you so much time later when it come to mixing/mastering.
2. Roll some bass off EVERYTHING except bass guitar, kick drums and some keyboard low stuff. Again, it helps with sound separation at the mixing stage.

The three most important FX you can have (ie. the thing you really want to spend the money on) are EQ, Compresson and Reverb. Everything else is window dressing IMO.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 15 2005 at 05:07
There are two golden rules that I always use when recording and both are dull, non-sexy things that can work wonders for the quality of your work.

1. Take a lot of time getting a good sound at source before you record. It saves you so much time later when it come to mixing/mastering.
2. Roll some bass off EVERYTHING except bass guitar, kick drums and some keyboard low stuff. Again, it helps with sound separation at the mixing stage.

The three most important FX you can have (ie. the thing you really want to spend the money on) are EQ, Compresson and Reverb. Everything else is window dressing IMO.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2005 at 22:37
Originally posted by utah_man utah_man wrote:

Originally posted by arcer arcer wrote:

top advice from the boys - can't really add any more

Behringer do a really small pre-amp for a few bucks (I know it's GB£29) that works really well. I have a Joe Meek 'Meekraphone' which is really sweet and not expensive. Rode do some good ones too.

For prog - invest in Native Instruments' Elektrik Piano (Rhodes Wulry, Clavi), B4 (hammond), GMedia's M-Tron (mellotron) and any good soft synth (I'd recommend GMedia's ImpOscar (cheap and very very powerful)


OK, Question: How do these software synths work ?  Just move the mouse pointer over the virtual keyboard on screen, or would I have to actually buy a keyboard and wire it to the PC ?

Also, GMedia's M-Tron is just a software plug-in, right ?  What I mean is, I would have to purchase additional software to run the M-Tron stuff...Yes...No ???




Great question! I've always wondered this myself too.

I've heard tons about Propellerhead's program Reason... supposedly has some great soft synth sounds on it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2005 at 21:00
Originally posted by arcer arcer wrote:

top advice from the boys - can't really add any more

Behringer do a really small pre-amp for a few bucks (I know it's GB£29) that works really well. I have a Joe Meek 'Meekraphone' which is really sweet and not expensive. Rode do some good ones too.

For prog - invest in Native Instruments' Elektrik Piano (Rhodes Wulry, Clavi), B4 (hammond), GMedia's M-Tron (mellotron) and any good soft synth (I'd recommend GMedia's ImpOscar (cheap and very very powerful)


OK, Question: How do these software synths work ?  Just move the mouse pointer over the virtual keyboard on screen, or would I have to actually buy a keyboard and wire it to the PC ?

Also, GMedia's M-Tron is just a software plug-in, right ?  What I mean is, I would have to purchase additional software to run the M-Tron stuff...Yes...No ???


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2005 at 11:26
Good perspective James, thanks.

Now this software ACID that several of you guys mentioned, is it the same thing as made by Sony ?
My internet search results came up with some puzzling info...


Thanks for your time
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2005 at 03:52

I don't know about 'hardly trying', but you can definitely make something original and expressive without knowing musical theory or how to play an instrument.

A lot of traditionalists may scoff, but making music is basically just putting sounds together...Mozart would have still been Mozart if he'd worked with a sampler and a drum machine, and I'd still just be a happy dilettante if I had an orchestra at my disposal . The technology provides tools (and often suggests a form), but it's still up to your creativity and proficiency at using these tools.

I guess that there's an inherent beauty in a musical instrument that I don't usually see in a piece of technology (though programmers and engineers may). Still, mastering the skills needed to make really good music with technology can be every bit as demanding and ultimately self-expressive as dedicating your life to an instrument.

And a hack with a PC has just as much chance of getting success as a hack with an electric guitar...but it might not impress chicks as much in the meantime. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2005 at 00:25
Thanks very much to all of you...
This helps...

Internet search results indicate that Sonic Foundry is Sony, or vise versa ? Or neither ?


Question (has nothing to do with my initial query): From a philosophical angle, are all these fancy high-tech thingys turning us into "technicians" rather than pure musicians ?
I mean...Can a musically "challenged" person produce a stunning piece of music without hardly trying ?




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