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    Posted: July 08 2005 at 13:43
My sincere apologies if my Metal nomenclature is off.

Whatever category they're in, I find them to be exceedingly heavy.


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Well, Dimmu isn't Black Metal. So I suppose you have much to learn. ;) I may be a mainstay from Metal knowledge, and a newb to prog. But I'm not coming out saying stuff like The Mars Volta is RIO, or Radiohead is Krautrock. 
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Tool isn't metal? Wha???

I'm surprised no one delving into the Black Metal bands has brought up Dimmu Borghir yet.
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Opeth is a snooze, not heavy in the least. Tool isn't even Metal, much less progressive, much less heavy. Fates Warning's 2nd the 3rd albums qualify. 
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Ok, here is the poll.
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How about:

Evergrey - In search of Truth
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Progzilla Progzilla wrote:

Hmm, I forgot:
Pain of Salvation - Entropia

Pain Of Salvation - One Hour By The Concrete Lake

It's heavier than Entropia.



Yes, I thought about this for a while but ended up with entropia (maybe because I was just listening to it..) Ok, lets put concrete lake instead, most people propably like it more than entropia.
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Originally posted by Progzilla Progzilla wrote:

Hmm, I forgot:
Pain of Salvation - Entropia

Pain Of Salvation - One Hour By The Concrete Lake

It's heavier than Entropia.
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Hmm, I forgot:
Pain of Salvation - Entropia
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This thread contain a lot of interesting bands, so I though I would do a poll on the BEST heavy prog album. To limit the contenders, I'll only include the ones that are features on progarchives. So far I've pulled out these albums from this thread:

Arcturus - The sham mirror
Ark - Burn the sun
Cynic - Focus
Devin Townsend - Terria
Dream Theater - Train of Thought
Meshuggah - Destroy erase improve
Opeth - Blackwater Park
Spiral architect - A Sceptic's Universe
Tool - Lateralus
Voivod - Dimension hatross
Zero Hour - The Tower's of Avarice

Any more suggestions, or want another album of a specific artist? I'm still pondering wether to include Dream Theater or not... I don't think it's really as heavy as the others..  what do you think?

I'll make the poll later today!
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my arms, your hearse- opeth

train of thought- dream theater

aenima- tool

any meshuggah album
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Originally posted by captain beyond captain beyond wrote:

Hi Mike,

I think I wrote 'personality' rather than 'emotions.' I'm not sure that most prog-metal projects much 'emotion,' as it tends to be an instrumentalists medium with vocals that lean towards the performative/theatric. In comparing the SA and DT vocalists, I just find SA's to be more individual, more identifiable. One of the problems I've always had with DT (and I saw them open up for Maiden in 1992) is their vocals, which sound somewhat generic to me. Not lacking in emotion so much as lacking in personality.

Í see what you mean ... the problem with DT is that LaBrie doesn't participate in songwriting. I've always perceived DT as a band of exceptional musicians + a good vocalist. The fact that he leaves the stage during instrumental sections supports that feeling of "separation".
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You've made a point captain beyond, "emotion" and "personality" are escential, but actually for any group in any music genre. If Dream Theater fullfills that, it's probably another topic, but in my opinion they certainly do (specially in I and W, Awake, Change of Seasons and Scenes from a Memory).

Now, if we get to the Black/Death-Metal-Prog branch, they are going to be certainly the heaviest (or the "metalest", since I'd agree that actually Maiden is "heavy"), and IMO Arcturus, Opeth, Emperor (earlier and later work) and Cynic will do; and the first three have hell of "emotion" and "personality". (I don't include Cynic, because they play more death metal oriented prog, and I do find some death bands at least as good as them => Nile).
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Hi Mike,

I think I wrote 'personality' rather than 'emotions.' I'm not sure that most prog-metal projects much 'emotion,' as it tends to be an instrumentalists medium with vocals that lean towards the performative/theatric. In comparing the SA and DT vocalists, I just find SA's to be more individual, more identifiable. One of the problems I've always had with DT (and I saw them open up for Maiden in 1992) is their vocals, which sound somewhat generic to me. Not lacking in emotion so much as lacking in personality.
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Originally posted by captain beyond captain beyond wrote:



SPIRAL ARCHITECT--Sceptic's Universe. To my ears, more interesting compositionally and melodically than Dream Theatre with equivalent technical skills but more imaginative playing. I also find the vocals to have more personality than DT's. If I had to make any comparisons, I might say a much more technical, better recorded 'Awaken the Guardian' (Fates Warning). Recorded in Sweden 1999/2000, this is one of the top-5 prog-metal albums I've ever heard.

That's odd ... IMO Spiral Architect seriously lack emotions ... especially the vocals. It's a good album nonetheless.
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Many awesomely heavy and progressive bands have been listed in this discussion. There are probably a good dozen more that could be added. Please indulge me while I add two:

GORGUTS--Obscura. Yes, this was a death metal band, but they went off the deep end here. It's more complex and twisted than even Cryptopsy's best stuff. Even for a person who says that Meshuggah is not progressive, this would strike them as staggeringly progressive. Caveat: the vocals are in a death metal style but the musician ship is jaw-dropping.

SPIRAL ARCHITECT--Sceptic's Universe. To my ears, more interesting compositionally and melodically than Dream Theatre with equivalent technical skills but more imaginative playing. I also find the vocals to have more personality than DT's. If I had to make any comparisons, I might say a much more technical, better recorded 'Awaken the Guardian' (Fates Warning). Recorded in Sweden 1999/2000, this is one of the top-5 prog-metal albums I've ever heard.
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Everything by Opeth except for Damnation,Meshuggah and Cynic's Focus cd.


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Points: 16544 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2005 at 15:42

Originally posted by SirPsycho388 SirPsycho388 wrote:

DREAM THEATER - TRAIN OF THOUGHT

Is not the heaviest, listen to Wreath on Deliverance and yeeeks!
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DREAM THEATER - TRAIN OF THOUGHT
Strangers passing in the street by chance two separate glances meet and I am you and what I see is me. And do I take you by the hand and lead you through the land and help me understand the best I can
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Originally posted by FishyMonkey FishyMonkey wrote:

I haven't heard Meshuggah or Cynic, but Opeth gets pretty brutal. 


I would say that Meshuggah is not more brutal than Opeth, but if I can compare Opeth with Meshuggah, the second one is more heavier. For me Cynic is about Opeth's brutality but in a different style.

BTW: Do you heard about Death?
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