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Easy Livin
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Topic: Petition to take Radiohead off Progarchi Posted: November 19 2005 at 16:41 |
This thread had run its course in February.
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penguindf12
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Posted: November 19 2005 at 16:35 |
good thing this blew over...
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Ipacial Section
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Posted: November 19 2005 at 16:33 |
The people who want Radiohead banned for not being Prog are probably the same people who think that Dream Theatre are really original for using complex time signatures
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Badabec
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Posted: November 19 2005 at 16:30 |
the musical box wrote:
Certif1ed wrote:
OK Computer IS a prog album as much as Dark Side of the Moon.
The Admins agree.
Leave it alone and shut the f**k up.
Please?
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Accualy Cert, the reason the admins added them is because
theyre sick of people like you f**king complaining about them " being
prog" all the time. Just because you like something DOES NOT make it
prog....God... If they were prog they would have been added ages ago! I
think we should also add Primus and Steely Dan too! What a great idea! The
fact is, if the admins TRULY believed Radiohead were prog, they would
have added them long ago and wouldnt have had to put a justification
for why they're on the site!!! Also, by adding Radiohead, the inclusion
of countless other non/boarderline prog is inevitable and the site will
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I agree 100% with you, musical box.
Cert should shut the f*** up because Radiohead hasn't anything to do
with prog (this doesn't automatically mean they are crap). Same thing
with Coldplay, Muse, Sytem of a down, The Cure, Nightwish and Bon Jovi
(who are crap).
I mean, what the hell is it to start a poll called "Bon Jovi vs Gentle Giant"?! (seriously, somebody did it, just look it up)
How can you assume to put that commercial, superficial, non-essential
crap in one relation with a great prog-band like Gentle Giant?!
Sometimes I think people who don't really know what prog is about write
their damn non-essential comments, just for having expressed anything.
This sucks!
How would it be to declare Sex-Pistols or Mariah Carey as prog?!
BAN RADIOHEAD, IT ISN'T PROG!!!
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Rob The Plant
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Posted: February 03 2005 at 23:37 |
Lets just ignore it, stop arguing with them, because Radio Head is here to stay anyway. Eventually the forum will just break down into pointless babble if there's no one here to argue. I say this from experience.
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Cluster One
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Posted: February 03 2005 at 23:29 |
I have to say that I am far from being an expert on Radiohead. So my
vote was for them to be left on the Archives. So that if ever in the
future I wished to give them a few spins, I would appreciate the album
reviews given to them on this site!
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Reed Lover
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Posted: February 03 2005 at 14:39 |
Quite, well said.
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Posted: February 03 2005 at 13:29 |
The biggest problem with English as a language is that even native speakers have issues with the conundrums that can be created from even a simple sentence.
For example;
"His eye fell on a piece of paper on the floor, so he bent down to pick it up."
Question is - did he pick up the paper or his glass eye?
/edit - or did he try to pick the floor up?
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Posted: February 03 2005 at 13:06 |
Lunarscape wrote:
Reed So I did teach you something....WOW ...But still (I'm LMAO) dont blame it on language issues. The guys in Houston would NEVER give me a degree on a Post Graduate Course IF I DIDNT DESERVE IT. That means filling out correctly the paper-work in a high technically know way. "Gutter-English" is pretty common AFTER 19:00 PM and in Houston, try Westheimer. . As for Ivan...he is absolutely fluent in English and extremely fluent. ....Now is it true that there are far too many sheeps on São Thomé and Principe.?
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Posted: February 03 2005 at 12:53 |
Reed So I did teach you something....WOW ...But still (I'm LMAO) dont blame it on language issues. The guys in Houston would NEVER give me a degree on a Post Graduate Course IF I DIDNT DESERVE IT. That means filling out correctly the paper-work in a high technically know way. "Gutter-English" is pretty common AFTER 19:00 PM and in Houston, try Westheimer. . As for Ivan...he is absolutely fluent in English and extremely fluent. ....Now is it true that there are far too many sheeps on São Thomé and Principe.?
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Posted: February 03 2005 at 11:56 |
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Posted: February 03 2005 at 11:06 |
No, Ivan - I begin with the phrase
"To me that shows..."
This means that this is what I see personally, given the evidence - I am not stating it as hard fact, as you seem to think.
Until I see more evidence to the contrary, I feel compelled to believe it - but others may, of course, choose not too - just as they may choose to find offence where I have stated that none is intended.
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Posted: February 03 2005 at 10:58 |
[quote]Which part of "no offence meant" was so hard to understand?[/quote]
Hey Cert, don’t want to argue with you because I respect your opinion and your right to disagree about Radiohead, I’m sure most people here believes BTO is a truckers Rock band with no merit, but I like their music (even though I won’t ever say they are progressive), but the phrase "no offence meant" or something similar is not enough for a comment not be offensive.
I may say (Please this is an example, I don’t believe this) The intelligence accepts Genesis as the best band, and the small-minded addle-pated minority believes Yes is the best band, by the way, "no offence meant"
Cert wrote:
To me that shows that, on the whole, it's the intelligensia that accept Radiohead as prog and the small-minded addle-pated minority that don't. |
Compare both comments and you'll find both are almost the same, and both are highly offensive despite the fact you don't ment it..
Im sure most Yes fans will try to crucify me and they will have the right to do so. You are saying that intelligentsia is in the side of Radiohead and that most of people who don’t believe this are close minded.
Now tell me, isn’t this comment offensive?
Iván
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Posted: February 03 2005 at 10:40 |
Lunarscape wrote:
Indeed...I'll even consider buying "Ok Computer" ___
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Posted: February 03 2005 at 10:38 |
Reed; Dont worry, your credibility and reputation is virginal immaculate, You just didnt get the point and thats ok too, it happens here, a lot !
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Posted: February 03 2005 at 10:28 |
P.S. Just got back from the pub - that was a good drink; Cheers!
Indeed...I'll even consider buying "Ok Computer"
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Posted: February 03 2005 at 10:27 |
Lunarscape wrote:
Reed -
Gosh man...you know how to hurt ones feelings, I'm SOOOOOOOO pissed off at your post that I nearly ran away from this forum in utter rage (Its become fashionable lately !) Is it possible for you to share your passive "SAVAGE SHEEP" experience ? How dare you tag my post as RUBBISH ! ! ! ! ????? (I have to say this too; REED I'm only joking OK ? Dont misinterpret this post and dont run away in grief and please dont MARK the hurt feelings, just because you didnt understand all the rubbish I wrote about that...you know Indie Britpop Alternative Art Rock band everybody is bitching about ! )
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hahaha.What's that thing Roger Waters says about "being out of range."
My credibility destroyed now is it? Fine-love.
You are the second girl I've been savaged by recently- but the other female does it far better.
If we ever meet up would could discuss this in a more open, frank way. Unfortunately( )this is probably not going to happen. That is a great disappointment to me!
Oh and
I'm just off to piss myself............
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Posted: February 03 2005 at 09:43 |
Lunarscape wrote:
Come on Cert...You probably know my opinions on RH by now, they are my opinions, I did lay them out on other threads and my conclusion is the same from the first time I heard them -> LACK OF TALENT. But ok, by your standards lack of talent can be bend into "wonderful minimalistic". Cert; Is it possibble that some of us here on this board REALLY do find RH's music VERY BORING ? Are we allowed to share the disgust and are we allowed to have a technical opinions on the negative sides of RH ?
You're allowed to say what you like - that's not me being somehow magnanimous or pompous, it is simply a fact I recognise. However, like anyone, I hold my own opinions...
However, I also recognise that Radiohead are exceptionally talented - and I don't think that is a matter of opinion - even if you hate their music.
I dislike the music of Dream Theater - but I would never say that they are not talented, since that is not true.
Tell me something; Is Amazon.com such a lousy source regarding information on music ? Is it that misleading ? More misleading than the discussion on RH at Progarchives ? (Do I have to spell this one out ? - Misleading because due to this huge divide, somebody will read around here that Radiohead is a Progressive Rock band and around half of those will be pissed off at the first spin of the RH CD's).
To see what other people bought just proves that other people bought other music - it doesn't automatically follow that one band sound like another or are of the same genre!
Not one person has managed to provide a "Britpop" album that sounds like OK Computer, or is as proggy. That is the fundamental issue.
Cert; why sould I answer your questions ? They are already out there on other posts and I'll spare all of you lots of time since these answers are known by the "intelligencia" of the forum. Besides that other forum members should be spared repetitive answers.
I replied to your post, it's up to you whether you decide to reply or not. You chose not to defend your answers, so I was left with the conclusion that they were not worth defending. I'm not going to trawl your posts to find them.
The one point I would like to keep "in the air" is this "Britpop"/"Indie"/"Alt-Rock" business - which I truly do not understand - and no one has answered.
To my ears, OK Computer is blatantly a prog album - not because I'm a Radiohead fan, but because I hear a prog album. It doesn't matter who their peers are, whether they're played on MTV or not or that they appear alongside certain lesser bands in Amazon searches (Don't forget that Coldplay, Travis and Keane all IMITATED Radiohead in their own small ways) - it matters more what the music sounds like.
And to me at least, OK Computer sounds more proggy than most of the bands I mentioned above.
Again accusing, first it was "attacking with lame tactic", Trolling and "ignorant git". First of all, if you feel offended, you choose so, again !.
No - I simply asked questions. As you say - it is a choice as to whether you feel offended or not. I don't - I just wanted to make sure I understood what you were saying.
I wrote "
You have no reply to any of my questions, so you attempt a kick at where you think it might hurt? Is that it?
That's such a lame tactic - you're attacking me rather than engaging in discussion about the music. This practice is commonly known as trolling.
Or maybe I misunderstand completely and just don't get the joke. "
Note that I even followed it up by saying that I probably don't understand - I'm not accusing you of anything.
Second I did adress Reed because Reed wrote that my opinions were the worst rubbish ever written here. But Reed complained at some recent post that some board members lacked sense of humour, so I thought some humour couldnt do any harm here. But what can I do if you didnt catch up on it ? You choose not to, and maybe you are too stern to find humour besides your own. (Yes I do se a "smiley" sometimes at your posts.)
Er... try to indicate your humour better? Make jokes that are funny?
You made a load of comments to Reed that looked like antagonistic digs at me. Not humorously intended, but with apparent malicious intent - it's totally possible I misread it - that's what I'm trying to find out.
Cert; try to chill out a bit, take a huge laugh at yourself, its worth it. I do that often and thats why I rarely "blow the hat of the top of my head". A very few issues are worth it. RH is certainly not one of them. Lets get a drink
I'm totally "chilled", thanks - and most of the time I am good at laughing at myself. However, like most people, I go through the ups and downs of life and experience whatever mood I happen to be in for what it is, and try not to force it and react falsely.
Call it artistic integrity or bull-headedness - what you will, but I truly believe in just being myself. Even if that means blowing the old stopper out every now and then - heck, if it's a good enough system for old mother earth, it's good enough for me
You'll find that this is par for the course. I often shred posts if I really and truly don't understand what is being said - and I have an interest in what the poster is saying. I find it makes the discussion much clearer - and highlights any misunderstanding, thus leading to a quick resolution.
P.S. Just got back from the pub - that was a good drink; Cheers!
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Posted: February 03 2005 at 08:54 |
.............i know i started this thread, but here are some words of wisdom:
"De Gustibus Non Est Disputandum"
...keep it in mind...
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Lunarscape
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Posted: February 03 2005 at 08:28 |
Come on Cert...You probably know my opinions on RH by now, they are my opinions, I did lay them out on other threads and my conclusion is the same from the first time I heard them -> LACK OF TALENT. But ok, by your standards lack of talent can be bend into "wonderful minimalistic". Cert; Is it possibble that some of us here on this board REALLY do find RH's music VERY BORING ? Are we allowed to share the disgust and are we allowed to have a technical opinions on the negative sides of RH ?
Tell me something; Is Amazon.com such a lousy source regarding information on music ? Is it that misleading ? More misleading than the discussion on RH at Progarchives ? (Do I have to spell this one out ? - Misleading because due to this huge divide, somebody will read around here that Radiohead is a Progressive Rock band and around half of those will be pissed off at the first spin of the RH CD's).
Cert; why sould I answer your questions ? They are already out there on other posts and I'll spare all of you lots of time since these answers are known by the "intelligencia" of the forum. Besides that other forum members should be spared repetitive answers.
Again accusing, first it was "attacking with lame tactic", Trolling and "ignorant git". First of all, if you feel offended, you choose so, again !. Second I did adress Reed because Reed wrote that my opinions were the worst rubbish ever written here. But Reed complained at some recent post that some board members lacked sense of humour, so I thought some humour couldnt do any harm here. But what can I do if you didnt catch up on it ? You choose not to, and maybe you are too stern to find humour besides your own. (Yes I do se a "smiley" sometimes at your posts.)
Cert; try to chill out a bit, take a huge laugh at yourself, its worth it. I do that often and thats why I rarely "blow the hat of the top of my head". A very few issues are worth it. RH is certainly not one of them. Lets get a drink
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