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Floydoid
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Topic: David Bowie (Genre Poll) Posted: May 03 2007 at 12:03 |
David Bowie was definitely influenced by psychedelia & prog, and his influence on many who came after him is incalculable. Albums such as Ziggy Stardust (the work I'm most familiar with) may be concept albums, but not really prog, so I don't really buy the argument for his inclusion in the archives.
As for classifying him, well Bowie is simply Bowie.
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Posted: May 02 2007 at 11:39 |
explodingjosh wrote:
Easy Livin wrote:
Dragon Phoenix wrote:
Prog related. But apparently the powers that be already made up their mind that he will not be included. |
Personally, I don't think he fits, even as prog related.
I don't remember any final decision to reject him ever being made though. Even if there was, such discussions seem to come around again, never say never...  |
I'd like to think of this site as a democracy... I'll check out the add-new-band procedure.
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No, it isn't a democracy, even if you'd like to think of it as one. Sorry.
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Posted: May 02 2007 at 11:33 |
Ok, so now that Bowie is being considered, I'd keep my hopes up and wait for Prince to be here, you know, the Artist formerly Known as Prog.... And who knows, 3 years from now the aussie goddess will be here...   .........
Bowie, but not Decemberists? Well, Bowie's music was artsy, I give you that... But so are many other musical manifestations that just AREN"T prog. Prog = art, but art not always = prog.
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Posted: May 02 2007 at 03:21 |
Quite clearly Art Rock and Prog-Related.
Progressive Rock is a sub genre of Art Rock - always has been, always will be.
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Posted: May 01 2007 at 22:29 |
I always thought of him as art rock.
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Posted: April 29 2007 at 22:17 |
Easy Livin wrote:
Dragon Phoenix wrote:
Prog related. But apparently the powers that be already made up their mind that he will not be included. |
Personally, I don't think he fits, even as prog related.
I don't remember any final decision to reject him ever being made though. Even if there was, such discussions seem to come around again, never say never...  |
 I'd like to think of this site as a democracy... I'll check out the add-new-band procedure.
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Posted: November 11 2006 at 09:47 |
Cheesecakemouse wrote:
Chus wrote:
micky wrote:
Chus wrote:
Frank Sinatra made lots of concept albums and he's not "prog".... so the concept album term is a very vague link to progressive music.... I'll admit I haven't listened much of his early work, but what I heard so far was fine rock, but no art rock whatsoever.... however, when I have the chance I'll give him some more listenings... |
his status here is yet TBD but a quick Google of Bowie and Art Rock brings up tons of stuff. Bowie/Art Rock remains to be seen here.. but should not dismissed out of hand. And before you say you don't hear Art Rock in him.. take a look at how art rock is defined here and some of the groups and tell me there is a art rock 'sound'. There isn't one.
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Well you may be right in the art rock bit.. since GG has nothing to do with KC... but they are mainly progressive.... I'm not going to make rushed judgement on Bowie and say he's not progressive, but I haven't yet heard a single tune from him that resembles "prog"... perhaps some other songs will clear my mind.. but I might agree about him being maybe prog-related (at least in the meantime, based on opinions here mostly) |
Try listening to Bowies, album Low and Heroes, thats pretty proggy, also I do believeve Station to Station is has proggy elements to that album. But his Ziggy Stardust-Aladdin Sane stuff is pure pop rock. |
Yeah, perhaps I based my opinion on Ziggy, being a concept album and all.... I thought it was good pop rock but nothing more... maybe his other material are proggy... I'll find out
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Posted: November 10 2006 at 22:02 |
Chus wrote:
micky wrote:
Chus wrote:
Frank Sinatra made lots of concept albums and he's not "prog".... so the concept album term is a very vague link to progressive music.... I'll admit I haven't listened much of his early work, but what I heard so far was fine rock, but no art rock whatsoever.... however, when I have the chance I'll give him some more listenings... |
his status here is yet TBD but a quick Google of Bowie and Art Rock brings up tons of stuff. Bowie/Art Rock remains to be seen here.. but should not dismissed out of hand. And before you say you don't hear Art Rock in him.. take a look at how art rock is defined here and some of the groups and tell me there is a art rock 'sound'. There isn't one.
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Well you may be right in the art rock bit.. since GG has nothing to do with KC... but they are mainly progressive.... I'm not going to make rushed judgement on Bowie and say he's not progressive, but I haven't yet heard a single tune from him that resembles "prog"... perhaps some other songs will clear my mind.. but I might agree about him being maybe prog-related (at least in the meantime, based on opinions here mostly) |
Try listening to Bowies, album Low and Heroes, thats pretty proggy, also I do believeve Station to Station is has proggy elements to that album. But his Ziggy Stardust-Aladdin Sane stuff is pure pop rock.
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Posted: November 08 2006 at 22:37 |
micky wrote:
Chus wrote:
Frank Sinatra made lots of concept albums and he's not "prog".... so the concept album term is a very vague link to progressive music.... I'll admit I haven't listened much of his early work, but what I heard so far was fine rock, but no art rock whatsoever.... however, when I have the chance I'll give him some more listenings... |
his status here is yet TBD but a quick Google of Bowie and Art Rock brings up tons of stuff. Bowie/Art Rock remains to be seen here.. but should not dismissed out of hand. And before you say you don't hear Art Rock in him.. take a look at how art rock is defined here and some of the groups and tell me there is a art rock 'sound'. There isn't one.
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Well you may be right in the art rock bit.. since GG has nothing to do with KC... but they are mainly progressive.... I'm not going to make rushed judgement on Bowie and say he's not progressive, but I haven't yet heard a single tune from him that resembles "prog"... perhaps some other songs will clear my mind.. but I might agree about him being maybe prog-related (at least in the meantime, based on opinions here mostly)
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Posted: November 08 2006 at 21:45 |
cuncuna wrote:
Me too. I want his closet (and everything that it contains). He should have his own cathegory: Art Clothes.
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Posted: November 08 2006 at 21:41 |
Me too. I want his closet (and everything that it contains). He should have his own cathegory: Art Clothes.
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Posted: November 08 2006 at 21:40 |
Prog-related. In no way to me does he seem to fit in to art rock. I am for including him on the site, though.
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Posted: November 08 2006 at 21:36 |
Chus wrote:
Frank Sinatra made lots of concept albums and he's not
"prog".... so the concept album term is a very vague link to
progressive music.... I'll admit I haven't listened much of his early
work, but what I heard so far was fine rock, but no art rock
whatsoever.... however, when I have the chance I'll give him some more
listenings... |
his status here is yet TBD but a quick Google of Bowie and Art Rock
brings up tons of stuff. Bowie/Art Rock remains to be seen here..
but should not dismissed out of hand. And before you say you
don't hear Art Rock in him.. take a look at how art rock is defined
here and some of the groups and tell me there is a art rock
'sound'. There isn't one.
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Posted: November 08 2006 at 20:43 |
John Gargo wrote:
Is absence is pretty jarring, in my opinion...
1. His frequent collaboration with prog artists, such as Rick Wakeman, Brian Eno and Robert Fripp, particularly Eno where his involvement in those albums really merits an equal billing, in my opinion.
2. Prog elements/songs in early albums, such as Space Oddity, The Man Who Sold the World and Hunky Dory.
3. Full-blown concept albums in the form of Ziggy Stardust, Aladdin Sane and Diamond Dogs, Outside... you COULD argue that non-prog artists have sometimes indulged in concept albums, but at least FOUR? I highly doubt it...
4. Pretty much every single website out there refers to him as Art-Rock and Prog-Related except for this one...
5. Scary Monsters, the album, is definately Art Rock, with experiments, genre-shifting, and a summary of all of his styles in the 70s. You could argue that everything he did afterwards is not really progressive (although certain albums have elements of prog, such as Outside), but then again how many artists here have cut-off points. You could make a case for every single one of his 70s albums being art-rock with the possible exception of Pinups (a cover album, doesn't really count) and Young Americans (R&B one-off which, when thought about in the right context, supports the idea of Bowie as progressing artist).
Simply put, the cliche of David Bowie as a musical cameleon is adequate, and the very fact that he was recording albums (prolifically) during the 70s, a decade where progressive music was at the forefront of pop culture, it is only fitting that his music soaks up a lot of this type of music.
But say you want to make the argument of Bowie as a soulless replicant of music, and therefore he's not TRULY prog because he's only copying what's popular... Fair enough, except that punk music hit the scene in the late 70s... that was when Bowie as recording his most PROGRESSIVE albums! That, to me, is a testament to his contribution to progressive rock... that when everyone else was attempting to go "back to the basics," Bowie was into his Berlin-trilogy and, even after he finished with Eno, went on to record another prog album in Scary Monsters.
His absence to the archives is a big mistake, prog traditionalists and snobs be damned. |
Frank Sinatra made lots of concept albums and he's not "prog".... so the concept album term is a very vague link to progressive music.... I'll admit I haven't listened much of his early work, but what I heard so far was fine rock, but no art rock whatsoever.... however, when I have the chance I'll give him some more listenings...
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Posted: November 08 2006 at 06:52 |
WaywardSon wrote:
Looking at the results of this poll, it looks like the majority of people feel Bowie is Prog Related.
Why is he ignored time and time again? |
have patience young man hahahha not ignored as I told you earlier. I have plans for Bowie
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Posted: November 07 2006 at 23:30 |
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Why?
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Posted: November 07 2006 at 23:28 |
not on PA
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WaywardSon
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Posted: November 07 2006 at 23:20 |
Looking at the results of this poll, it looks like the majority of people feel Bowie is Prog Related.
Why is he ignored time and time again?
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Posted: October 11 2006 at 09:50 |
I have no opinion on his genre classification,as has been stated previously,I think the priority here ought to be the addition of prog bands/artists.
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Posted: October 11 2006 at 09:10 |
he fits in under 'damn fine rock n roll'
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