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Posted: September 13 2006 at 20:22

^ it certainly is (and I also find it more complex)

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Posted: September 13 2006 at 11:53

MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Stars Die wrote:

I really like A night at the Opera too, I think it's the most progressive of all of their releases...

What makes it more progressive than Nightfall in Middle-Earth?

Haha, another discussion about the definition of Prog! Well, I find that hard to explain, I just feel that it is...

maybe it is because it is more complex

But I have always thought hat Nightfall in middle-earth is the better of the two...

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Posted: September 12 2006 at 02:43

"Complexity, virtuosity, length of songs, influnce from classical music are characteristics of "prog" and not the exclusitivity of "prog"."

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That is exactly why I have separate ratings for "progressiveness" and "prog" on my website - and Blind Guardian are a very good example for a band that's not prog, but progressive ... at least on some albums.

Have a look: Blind Guardian

At the moment the genre of the band is determined as "Modern Prog-Related Power Metal/Folk" - I need to change "Prog-Related" to "Moderately Progressive" though, at the moment I don't discern the two tags when building the genre label.

BTW: if you have a look at the discography tab it will make even more sense ... there you'll see that only two of their albums are rated as "prog-related/moderately progressive".

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Posted: September 11 2006 at 20:11

This is a very good reason why the term "prog" is sooooooo insufficiant ( not everthing creative or complex is prog) and inapproriate when used as an adjective on this site!

People say it is prog or not and the person who asked the initial question has to ask what the type of music sounds like?

I feel sorry for a new person to this site who is trying to find out what "prog" realy is; such a liberal application of a specific term is utterly confusing and irresponsible.

Blind Guardian is a good Power Metal band (speed riffs, big chourus, many but slow transitioned time changes Etc...) from the German school. BG is influnced by classical music but not in any way influnced by "prog". BG is in the same family as Helloween and Angra (which is a compliment) and is unrelated to the sounds of Genesis, Yes, ELP ETC... They have a certin amount of complexity, inteligence, and virtuosity but not in the prog formula; therefore not "prog". They have great multi vocal choral work but yet again not of the "prog" formula.

Remember, when you look at new(to you) bands, people use the label "prog" or progressive as a badge of superiority, so when an intellegent, creative band that they like comes out they slap the "prog" label on it to mark them in the family of thier favarote bands. Sigur Ros therefore becomes related to ELP as "prog" and not related to Appleseed Cast or My Bloody Valintine which they are more suited for.

Complexity, virtuosity, length of songs, influnce from classical music are characteristics of "prog" and not the exclusitivity of "prog".

Blind Guardian is a good choice if you like power metal (at any level). Go to wikipedia and type up "power metal" or "Blind Guardian" and see what it says.

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Posted: September 10 2006 at 03:19

my fav is Tales from the Twilight World...

-music is like pornography...

sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more...

-sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue...

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Posted: September 10 2006 at 03:07

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I have never heard anything by BLIND GUARDIAN, but have noticed their CDs in a few shops simply because of their covers, which are what could be considered 'proggy cover art'.

Are there any sites with (legal) MP3 samples typical of their music, so I can hear what they're like?

http://www.myspace.com/blindguardian

I especially recommend "Time Stands Still" which is from Nightfall in Middle-Earth. Big smile

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Posted: September 10 2006 at 03:06

Are there any sites with (legal) MP3 samples typical of their music, so I can hear what they're like?

http://www.blind-guardian.com/new_version/media_sv.html

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Posted: September 10 2006 at 03:04

Stars Die wrote:

I really like A night at the Opera too, I think it's the most progressive of all of their releases...

What makes it more progressive than Nightfall in Middle-Earth?

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Posted: September 09 2006 at 20:53

I have never heard anything by BLIND GUARDIAN, but have noticed their CDs in a few shops simply because of their covers, which are what could be considered 'proggy cover art'.

Are there any sites with (legal) MP3 samples typical of their music, so I can hear what they're like?

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Posted: September 09 2006 at 20:42

I really like A night at the Opera too, I think it's the most progressive of all of their releases...

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Posted: September 09 2006 at 16:09

MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ I like the new album, but it's not *that* great. Those who picked A Night at the Opera as their favorite will love the new one, those who prefer Nightfall or Imaginations will probably be a little bit disappointed. But only slightly! Wink

My favorites are 'Somewhwere Far Beyond' and 'Imaginations from the Other Side'. 'Opera' I had a hard time to get into, and still do.

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Posted: September 09 2006 at 16:06

^ I like the new album, but it's not *that* great. Those who picked A Night at the Opera as their favorite will love the new one, those who prefer Nightfall or Imaginations will probably be a little bit disappointed. But only slightly! Wink

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Posted: September 09 2006 at 15:07

Stars Die wrote:

Great band, not very progressive though, they just released a new album...

Love 'em- listening to that album now!

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Posted: September 09 2006 at 14:40

Great music,
"Somewhere far beyond" &
"Nightfall in middle earth"

my favourite

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Posted: September 09 2006 at 14:30

I tried listening to them a couple of times. Thought they were sort of Helloween on steroids - not very progressive and an annoying (sometimes even boring) vocalist.

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Posted: September 09 2006 at 13:14

Great band, not very progressive though, they just released a new album...

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Posted: September 09 2006 at 12:57

Great band, but you have to be careful to choose the right album for "first contact":

Imaginations from the Other Side: Very Heavy, Fast, Technical
Nightfall in Middle-Earth: Very Orchestral, Great Concept
A Night at the Opera: A good mix of the above

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Posted: September 09 2006 at 10:38

The Miracle wrote:

Only someone who can't gasp the complexity will call it nerd metal

Great symphonic power metal band(and the ONLY power metal band I like, the rest of it is far too cheesy and overblown for me). Their sound is quite progressive, I think that can be included here if crap cliched power metal bands like Rhapsody are here...

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