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maani 
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Posted: August 06 2006 at 12:54 |
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I never liked Stolt's voice, which is why I have never been able to listen to the Flower Kings.
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Ty1020
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Posted: August 06 2006 at 12:36 |
 E-Dub wrote:
? was one of those discs that I had to set aside because I
found myself listening to it too often. Mr. Obvious pretty much hit the
nail on the head. It's not preachy in the least (none of his solo stuff
is), and he'd found a pretty good pair of soul mates in Randy George
and Portnoy.
What's the tune on ? where George just pounds away on the bass for a minute or so?
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I think it's Solid As the Sun. That's some reaalllly impressive bass work!
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Masque
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Posted: August 06 2006 at 10:17 |
I would have once said Morse with out question but over the years Stolte`s voice has grown on me . When Morse sings the lines for Transatlantic I`m always paranoid .. looking for some subtle Christian over tones to his message (not that there's anything wrong with Christianity so long as the buyer knows the score and isn`t left feeling ripped off .... I see a contradiction because to rip somebody off for hard earned money pretending to be one thing and secretly manipulating an audience to your way of thinking is infact sac religious and deceptive ) this I find to be a thing I don`t have to worry about so much with Stolt as Stolt is more mystical in his deliverance and Morse is more (probably far too often) preachy 
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Posted: August 06 2006 at 09:20 |
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? was one of those discs that I had to set aside because I found myself listening to it too often. Mr. Obvious pretty much hit the nail on the head. It's not preachy in the least (none of his solo stuff is), and he'd found a pretty good pair of soul mates in Randy George and Portnoy.
What's the tune on ? where George just pounds away on the bass for a minute or so?
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Posted: August 06 2006 at 08:55 |
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bhikkhu, ? does not mince words with the religious overtones, he goes further than on One. Testimony pretty much just chronicles his journey to God as opposed to being preachy. But if anyone has a problem with it, I dare them to listen to In the Fire and Solid as The Sun straight thru on ? and tell me, regardless of the lyrics, that that isn't Prog heaven, pardon the pun.
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Posted: August 06 2006 at 08:43 |
E-Dub wrote:
<<What on earth is that supposed to mean? Just because the man has been focusing more strongly on his relationship with God in recent years doesn't mean his voice sounds any different. All the negative attention prog fans have been giving him because of it is pretty uncalled for, and especially disappointing coming from a demographic of people who like to criticize others for not being "open minded" enough to agree with their views. >>
I must agree with Ty. For some reason, people seem to view the skills or abilities of a musician as diminished simply because they have a new calling and focus their energy on God (or the "G" word for those too squeamish to say His name out loud). One thing is for certain, you put Testimony, One, or ? up against Feel Euphoria and Octane, then it's as clear as crystal who the creative force (and genius) was of Spock's Beard. Same goes for Transatlantic as well.
E ... looking forward to church in the morning.
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Good call guys. 
I understand where Neal is coming from. He has found great inspiration in spirituality. I haven't gotten around to getting any of his solo albums yet, but nothing I have heard sounds over the top. He has just found a positive direction through it.
While I do like think that Neal is the stonger vocalist, I do like what Roine adds. It's the blending of all the talents that makes Transatlantic so strong.
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Posted: August 06 2006 at 08:33 |
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I recall a few years back when I belonged to a Marillion discussion forum and Testimony came out. The majority of complaints was directed towards the content (in this case, Morse's delivery to God) and not the music. It just amazes me how people can readily accept a band like Death, but turn away from something positive.
BTW, I prefer Bridge over SMPT:e by leaps and bounds.
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Posted: August 06 2006 at 03:13 |
I love both of them, but I love Roine's sections more; they are brief and refreshing. My New World in particular showacses some of my favorite Stolt vocal work. I just love his tone and melody.
I like how they did it though, Morse was more frequent, but Stolt would have some refreshing sections throughout.
But again, both are great.
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Posted: August 05 2006 at 22:03 |
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Who cares? They both sing their parts just fine. It's all good. A better poll is which album is better. I think Bridge is way better than SMPTe but I feel some people will beef with that.
And I am with you E-dub. I am not a big religious person, but singing about God can't possibly do anybody any harm anywhere and the people who have a problem with it should get over it. The music is what matters. And Neal's lyrics might actually have an impact on someone somewhere as opposed to any other lyrics that may come down the pipe.
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Posted: August 05 2006 at 20:22 |
<<What on earth is that supposed to mean? Just because the man has been focusing more strongly on his relationship with God in recent years doesn't mean his voice sounds any different. All the negative attention prog fans have been giving him because of it is pretty uncalled for, and especially disappointing coming from a demographic of people who like to criticize others for not being "open minded" enough to agree with their views. >>
I must agree with Ty. For some reason, people seem to view the skills or abilities of a musician as diminished simply because they have a new calling and focus their energy on God (or the "G" word for those too squeamish to say His name out loud). One thing is for certain, you put Testimony, One, or ? up against Feel Euphoria and Octane, then it's as clear as crystal who the creative force (and genius) was of Spock's Beard. Same goes for Transatlantic as well.
E ... looking forward to church in the morning.
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Posted: August 05 2006 at 19:51 |
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I love Roine's playing and vocals, but his voice doesn't touch Neal's in my opinion. He's got such an expressive voice, it's a shame that it tends to fall apart in a live setting.
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Posted: August 05 2006 at 19:28 |
The Ryan wrote:
I have no idea what Neal Morse is anymore. |
What on earth is that supposed to mean? Just because the man has been
focusing more strongly on his relationship with God in recent years
doesn't mean his voice sounds any different. All the negative attention
prog fans have been giving him because of it is pretty uncalled for,
and especially disappointing coming from a demographic of people who
like to criticize others for not being "open minded" enough to agree
with their views.
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The Ryan
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Posted: August 05 2006 at 19:01 |
If you haven't heard/seen transatlantic live (even if just the DVD's), you will most likely choose Neal Morse as the stronger vocalist. Believe it or not, his voice goes out on numerous occasions. If you do not believe me, check out the DVDs.
Roine Stolt is of course, a good vocalist.
I have no idea what Neal Morse is anymore.
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E-Dub
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Posted: August 05 2006 at 18:40 |
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<<Even though Morse is a god botherer now, he still has a better voice...>>
What's that have to do with anything?
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Posted: August 05 2006 at 18:36 |
Even though Morse is a god botherer now, he still has a better voice...
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Posted: August 05 2006 at 18:33 |
I'd rather both of them keep quiet, but if I have to choose I'd prefer Morse - he can sing.
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Posted: August 05 2006 at 18:13 |
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Morse
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white_russian
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Posted: August 05 2006 at 17:31 |
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neal morse, one of the best voices in prog nowadays.
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Posted: August 05 2006 at 17:29 |
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I like Neal's singing more,but like it even better when they all sing a little bit during a song,which they do more of on Bridge Across Forever. |
I agree. They both sound well and really compliment each other well.
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Posted: August 05 2006 at 16:51 |
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I like Neal's singing more,but like it even better when they all sing a little bit during a song,which they do more of on Bridge Across Forever.
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