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maani
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Topic: Regarding Bands Reviewed Posted: March 09 2004 at 02:28 |
Joren/danbo:
ROFLMAO!
Peace.
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Dan Bobrowski
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Posted: March 08 2004 at 23:11 |
Sorry Maani, I think Chaos Theory is when the butterfly farts and Brittney gets another number one hit.
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Joren
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Posted: March 08 2004 at 16:26 |
Why doesn't the butterfly ever aim at me?
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maani
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Posted: March 08 2004 at 12:02 |
Peter:
"Chaos" theory...Hmmm...Isn't that where a butterfly flaps its wings in China which causes someone to write a prog-rock song in New York?
Peace.
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Joren
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Posted: March 08 2004 at 10:15 |
Hm, a teacher who's asking for CHAOS?
Teachers should do that more often!
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Peter
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Posted: March 08 2004 at 09:54 |
Max asked:
Can you give the programming code lines for this ALGORITHM ?
Well Max, I don't know the "programming code," but because I teach (basic) math (and English), I can come up with an algebraic formula: */#=T (total stars divided by number of reviews equals Truth).
Of course, I'm joking. The (subjective) response to a piece of music cannot be mathematically predicted. Perhaps we could use "chaos" theory....
Have a GROOVY week, Proggers!
PS: It's better to be "proggers" than "preggers!"
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: March 08 2004 at 08:57 |
We`all weird this music we listen to is weird, my friends think I`m weird, my dogs think I`m weird and sometimes my wife even wonders about me and tell me Bob Fripp isn`t WEIRD just go to the Official KK website and read "Fripp`s Diary"!
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M@X
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Posted: March 08 2004 at 06:48 |
Peter Rideout wrote:
You could also add up the stars awarded, divide by the number of reviews, and decide that the "truth" lies somewhere in the middle!
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Can you give the programming code lines for this ALGORITHM ?
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Prog On !
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Alexander
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Posted: March 08 2004 at 02:17 |
maani wrote:
Peter:
Has anyone ever told you you're weird?
Peace.
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Peter is not WEIRD!
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On A Dilemmia Between What I Need & What I Just Want
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maani
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Posted: March 07 2004 at 20:12 |
Peter:
Has anyone ever told you you're weird?
Peace.
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Peter
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Posted: March 06 2004 at 00:02 |
Well said, Maani.
You could also add up the stars awarded, divide by the number of reviews, and decide that the "truth" lies somewhere in the middle!
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maani
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Posted: March 05 2004 at 22:35 |
Marcelo:
As they say, opinions are like noses: everyone has one. However, I do see your point: do opposing (or seemingly opposing) opinions help, or just confuse? It depends. If I found two opposing reviews of the same album, I might search for other reviews by each reviewer, to see what other music they like (or don't like) and how they approach their reviewing. This might give me a better understanding of why they reviewed the initial album the way they did.
In addition, opposing reviews might be a positive thing if they add to the person's curiosity about the album: "Gee, these guys totally disagree on this album. Maybe I should hear it and decide for myself."
Just a thought...
Peace.
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richardh
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Posted: March 05 2004 at 15:52 |
Marcelo wrote:
I believe most well known or most "popular" bands reviews gives to the reader a vision about musical taste of the reviewer. So, when somebody read another review, already have an idea about the reviewer. In the case of the less known bands, I wonder if very different points of view about an album can help to make a choice. Few days ago, appeared two Aufklärung band reviews (one from Maani, one from myself), and both opinions disagree. I think different points of view adding richness, but can they help to decide an album purchase or just help to confuse? |
Good point Marcelo and one I hadn't thought of.
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Peter
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Posted: March 05 2004 at 15:39 |
Thanks Vibe, Dude and Jim! I am a peaceful, confrontation-avoiding guy by nature.
The "Rideout2001," on the other hand..... (Ha! More on that wacky thread later! (It's my turn.) Jim & Dude, your installments are HILARIOUS! Very well done!)
Thanks for the input, Marcelo. I think that we each have to decide which critic to trust (this can be based upon reading their reviews of albums that you already have: "OK, he hates CLOSE TO THE EDGE, but I love it. I won't listen to this guy!" (etc.) Sometimes, the overall "tone" of a review from an unknown reviewer can lead to your decision, as can "sounds like" comparisions to better-known acts: "They sound 'sort of like a cross between early Jethro Tull and Menudo?' Cool! I am crazy about both those bands!"
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Marcelo
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Posted: March 05 2004 at 12:43 |
I believe most well known or most "popular" bands reviews gives to the reader a vision about musical taste of the reviewer. So, when somebody read another review, already have an idea about the reviewer. In the case of the less known bands, I wonder if very different points of view about an album can help to make a choice. Few days ago, appeared two Aufklärung band reviews (one from Maani, one from myself), and both opinions disagree. I think different points of view adding richness, but can they help to decide an album purchase or just help to confuse?
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Jim Garten
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Posted: March 05 2004 at 10:09 |
Well said Dude
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Jon Lord 1941 - 2012
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dude
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Posted: March 05 2004 at 09:51 |
GENTLEMEN: if i my add my humble opinion MAY I APPLAUD THE INTELLIGENT CONFLICT RESOLUTION HERE!!!.I have been to many sites relating to various issues and have been sadened by the degeneration into slanging matches and insults of the most immature kind displayed in their forums.What a pleasure it is to see intelligent people overcome the the limitations of the strictly written word and reason despite those limitations, guys, you have my respect!!!!!!
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: March 05 2004 at 09:09 |
(For Peter Rideout)
Now that peace is restored I just want to re-emphasize that I just felt like making a general comment after reading this guy`s review of the original Greenslade album and NO malice was intended towards anyone . Believe me, I`m in the same boat as everyone when it comes to having extra money to spend on music! I`m lucky that I squirelled away a substantial collection of vinyl back in the 70`s and 80`s when it was relatively cheap and available. Also, I don`t have anything against good long reviews and I actually read your Misplaced Childhood review and have more or less the same feelings towards that album. ( I saw Marillion on that particular tour as well as Script For A Jester`s Tear.) I can`t imagine this band without Fish playing live.
Let peace and love flow throughout the universe.
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richardh
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Posted: March 05 2004 at 03:00 |
I picked Kayak's 'Royal Bed Bouncer' as the first album I reviewed as it's not so well known.I could review all ELP,Yes and Genesis albums but then ''what's the point?'' as most visitors here would be familiar with them I suspect.
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Peter
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Posted: March 05 2004 at 01:25 |
Thanks for the voice of reason, Maani. I'm more calm now.
Vibrationbaby, I may have adopted too heavy a tone in my last post to you, and "gone in with both barrels blazing," but that is because I am so passionate about my reviews (I put a lot of effort into writing them well) and my music. (Writing is also an imperfect means of human discourse, and certainly inferior to face-to-face conversation. Tone of voice and facial expression are missing, and sincerity can sound like sarcasm (& vice-versa). It's easy for two people who don't know each other to "get their wires crossed" via this medium!)
As I implied in my first post, I want to review both classic and other, newer discs, in the proportion and manner that I see fit. The archives administrators in their wisdom have imposed no restrictions on what discs I (or anyone) can review (if they did, I'd be out of here). I have never gotten to write record reviews for the masses before, and as I expect to have only one life, I want to use the opportunity to "testify" as to the (prog) recordings that I know and LOVE (and even sometimes loathe). (As it stands, I've already covered many of them.) I, as with all who write reviews for this site, am a music fan first and foremost. Like all fans, I have favourite discs, and in a world where an album like CLOSE TO THE EDGE is very popular, it is understandable that many of us will choose to write about that CD -- many of us own a copy. I for one still enjoy reading others' opinions of these discs, just as I enjoy discussing Dickens or Shakespeare (both have been analyzed rather a bit, I think you'll concede) with others who enjoy their works. Surely there is room for all sorts of reviews and (prog) tastes here, yours, mine, and everyone else's. I don't read many reviews of bands that I've never heard of (maybe because I can't afford to buy many new CDs), while others, especially those with more disposable income, may be always on the lookout for something new. I think that both types of fans (I don't think that my listening/buying pattern is unique!) can be easily accommodated here. Again, we only need to read what we choose to read (or find interesting), and we may write in the style that comes naturally to us. Often, it is very poor or incoherent writing that makes me stop reading a review mid-way, but I don't think that I should give grammar/spelling/vocabulary lessons to the writers of those reviews. I know that they, like me, are doing ther best, and I respect that.
That being said, as Maani indicated, we "Archive Reviewers" (volunteers all) do get to hear some "new" music (not all chronologically new) via this site (a fairly new feature), so I and others have been reviewing these discs lately. A visit to my list of reviews will show that I have reviewed several discs by bands whose work was unknown to me just a few short weeks ago, including Garden Wall, Anglagard, Haggard, Pineapple Thief, Van Der Graaf Generator, etc. Assimilating these discs, while working and raising a young family, takes time. During the past week or so, I have been "absorbing" recordings by 4-5 more new artists, in preparatin for reviewing them. In the meantime, sometimes I am tired, and just want to write about (or listen to) a disc that I already know (and often, love). Sometimes a brief review of a favourite album -- favourable, or otherwise -- will prompt me to revisit that recording, and add my more in-depth input on it.
In closing, I just want to stress that I realize that your thoughtful comments were not meant as a personal attack. However, as a perhaps somewhat more prominent -- I don't mean better, or important -- reviewer for this site, I felt like I was particularly among those being addressed. I really enjoy doing this, and I put a lot of work and feeling into what I write. Even merely perceived criticism of something that I invest so much of my energy in can be hard to take.
No hard feelings -- back to the wonderful genre we both enjoy!
PS: Take it easy, and review another more obscure album that we should all save our "shekels" for soon!
PPS: I promise you (and all others -- are you listening, recording labels?) that I will review any CD (listed on the site) that you wish to send me!
PPPS: Most of the stuff that prolific "Special Collaborator" Greger Ronqvist reviews is new to me, if not "more obscure." Check out his fine work!
Edited by Peter Rideout
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