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DrGoon 
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Posted: June 04 2006 at 17:41 |
 raindance wrote:
DrGoon wrote:
I don't think that Eddie Offord was the best choice of producer for Pallas' The Sentinel. Bob Ezrin would have been a better fit for Pallas' sound in the Euan Lowson days. I think Offord did more harm than good on that particular one.
I don't personally rate him up there with folks such Steven Wilson. But he's good. :)
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Errrrr  How can you compare modern production techniques with those used 30 years ago! I'm not so sure about Wilson being that good either! From what i've heard, Porcupine Tree could have done with some serious pasting & editing! A lot of their earlier stuff is all over the place! |
Well, you did snip out all his contemporaries that I mentioned, and I didn't compare production techniques, I listed people that for my ears are better producers, those I'd call geniuses of production. The question was "genius or bumbling fool". For my money - neither - he's a very good producer, but he doesn't demonstrate ground-breaking production ideas. Since Porcupine Tree have been around in one form or another since Steven Wilson was 16 years old, there's obviously been some learning along the way, and some early equipment limitations. It's not like he worked for EMI as a producer - he's self taught. However, he's a step ahead of his comtemporaries today, and is creating some pretty wonderful sounds, not only on PT recordings.
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Posted: June 04 2006 at 16:45 |
salmacis wrote:
Have no idea why this thread has careered into a
direction about 'sexual preferences' but there you go... |
Pero
made som comments he hasn't been able to either step down from or
explain.
As for The Sentinel, I much prefer the CD running order, because I
always felt that those extra tracks were some of the stronger ones.
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Teaflax
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Posted: June 04 2006 at 16:43 |
Nanook wrote:
I'm not sure how much difference a producer can make, but
I do really enjoy the Yes albums Offord produced. Until this moment I
was unaware of his sexual preference.
I guess that shows how unimportant it was to the music. Now the
dope-smoking on the other hand...LOL |
I believe you're still
unaware of his sexual preference, actually.
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salmacis
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Posted: June 04 2006 at 11:51 |
Have no idea why this thread has careered into a direction about 'sexual preferences' but there you go...I have the vinyl of 'The Sentinel' by Pallas and for my money, it sounds far, far better than the CD which messes up the original running order by adding bonus tracks in the middle of the album and doesn't carry the same power, imo. It made me re-evaluate Offord's production job on that.
His work on Yes' albums is peerless- I think that the production is as integral to the success of those albums as the stunning music is. However, he clearly lost something around 'Tormato' which is a bloody mess, frankly- it was around this time that Rick Wakeman claimed that Offord 'went to Mars', whatever that entails...and Chris Squire spoke of 'sound engineers that took an excursion  '. However, when he was compos mentis, so to speak, he was easily one of the best producers of the genre, imo. |
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Posted: June 04 2006 at 11:27 |
DrGoon wrote:
I don't think that Eddie Offord was the best choice of producer for Pallas' The Sentinel. Bob Ezrin would have been a better fit for Pallas' sound in the Euan Lowson days. I think Offord did more harm than good on that particular one.
I don't personally rate him up there with folks such Steven Wilson. But he's good. :)
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Errrrr How can you compare modern production techniques with those used 30 years ago! I'm not so sure about Wilson being that good either! From what i've heard, Porcupine Tree could have done with some serious pasting & editing! A lot of their earlier stuff is all over the place! |
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Posted: June 04 2006 at 10:41 |
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I'm not sure how much difference a producer can make, but I do really enjoy the Yes albums Offord produced. Until this moment I was unaware of his sexual preference.
I guess that shows how unimportant it was to the music. Now the dope-smoking on the other hand...LOL
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DrGoon
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Posted: June 02 2006 at 22:04 |
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I don't think that Eddie Offord was the best choice of producer for Pallas' The Sentinel. Bob Ezrin would have been a better fit for Pallas' sound in the Euan Lowson days. I think Offord did more harm than good on that particular one.
I can't deny that he made a fair few good records with Yes and ELP however, so he's into the history books as an important producer. I don't personally rate him up there with folks such as George Martin, Mike Stone, Alan Parsons, Phil Spector, Conrad Plank, Lee Scratch Perry, Steve Hillage, William Orbit or Steven Wilson. But he's good. :)
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Posted: June 02 2006 at 06:52 |
All I know that when I saw Eddie Offord's name on an LP at the Record Store, I knew that the album would please very much.
I didn't care about sexual preferences, dope and the rest, but music Period.
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Posted: June 01 2006 at 12:45 |
The Wizard wrote:
His bong smoking antics added to Yes's psychedelic sound. As I have said before, I think of Yes as a very psychedelic symphonic rock band. Any from The Debut to Tormato is like some heavenly voyage to outer space. |
Dont think Eddie worked on them all but he really made a contribution to those he did - like CTTE. On the back of the vinyl album of CTTE were piccies of the band members, and Eddie Offord,but all without names - when I first got the album I had no idea who was who (except Wakeman and Bruford) and at first I thought Eddie Offord was Steve Howe and vice versa (if you see what I mean). But the fact Eddie was smoking something home rolled should have given it away!
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Posted: June 01 2006 at 12:29 |
pero wrote:
None. That's what I'm trying to say. |
Except it's not what you're saying. If you say "despite", it implies
that sexual orientation could possibly be a factor, but isn't in this
particular case - almost as if it was an exception.
If someone says, "She's a good guitarist, despite being a girl", it
clearly implies that person thinks that being a girl would be an impediment to being a good
guitarist - and pretty much proves the person a chauvinist. So tell me
from there what your comment says about you, if - as the below suggests
- you are implying that homosexuality should negatively affect
production skills.
pero wrote:
Except if you want to produce only: Boy George, Simply red, Frenky
goes to Hollywood, Milli Vanilli, or Freddie Mercury solo projects. OK?
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If that's supposed to be a gay joke, it fails on both levels;
by virtue of not being funny, and by including artists that are
definitely not homosexual.
Second of all, why would whether you are gay or not affect whether you work well (or want to work with) acts that are gay?
Edited by Teaflax - June 02 2006 at 04:46
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The Wizard
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Posted: June 01 2006 at 09:20 |
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His bong smoking antics added to Yes's psychedelic sound. As I have said before, I think of Yes as a very psychedelic symphonic rock band. Any from The Debut to Tormato is like some heavenly voyage to outer space.
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Posted: June 01 2006 at 08:38 |
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If there was a hall of fame for producers Eddie Offord would already be in it.
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pero
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Posted: June 01 2006 at 08:19 |
What I meant was that the producer's sexual orientation shouldn't affect his work.
This part "Except if you want to produce only: Boy George, Simply red, Franky goes to Hollywood, Milli Vanilli, or Freddie Mercury solo projects"
is a joke.
You should understand one, because your posts content a lot of black humor.
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Posted: June 01 2006 at 08:12 |
pero wrote:
Teaflax wrote:
Sexual orientation? How does that enter into it? What sexual proclivities or preferences could possibly affect your abilities as a producer? |
None. That's what I'm trying to say.
Except if you want to produce only: Boy George, Simply red, Frenky goes to Hollywood, Milli Vanilli, or Freddie Mercury solo projects. OK? |
Sorry, I don't understand your point.
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pero
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Posted: June 01 2006 at 08:07 |
Teaflax wrote:
Sexual orientation? How does that enter into it? What sexual proclivities or preferences could possibly affect your abilities as a producer? |
None. That's what I'm trying to say.
Except if you want to produce only: Boy George, Simply red, Frenky goes to Hollywood, Milli Vanilli, or Freddie Mercury solo projects. OK?
Edited by pero - June 01 2006 at 08:10
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Teaflax
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Posted: June 01 2006 at 07:53 |
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Sexual orientation? How does that enter into it? What sexual proclivities or preferences could possibly affect your abilities as a producer?
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pero
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Posted: June 01 2006 at 07:18 |
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Eddie Offord and another Ediie, Kramer are IMO two best producers in prog and prog related music despite their sexual orientation and drugs.
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Posted: May 27 2006 at 22:24 |
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I think his work testifies to his ability...
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Posted: May 27 2006 at 21:24 |
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Eddie Offord not a genuis but surley he engineered some prog classic albums quite good
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Posted: May 27 2006 at 21:08 |
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A ridiculous question, as Eddie Offord not only produced several of THE classic progressive rock albums of the 70s, he also produced John McLaughlin's classic jazz debut "Extrapolation". It sounds like the questioner is presuming a lot...first that Offord was under the influence, which is pure speculation, secondly, that being so necessarily impairs the ability to do it well. Phil Spector is widely considered one of the greatest producers in the history of rock, and look at where he ended up...
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