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Cheesecakemouse 
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Posted: March 15 2007 at 15:55 |
 Sean Trane wrote:
Cheesecakemouse wrote:
I think T&T does have some prog elements like the pioneer/Leaky Boat composition is pop prog especially with pioneers ambient beginning. |
I think we are waiting for your bio  |
I sent it about three weeks ago although I forgot to sign it.
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Moogtron III
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Posted: March 15 2007 at 05:56 |
pantacruelgruel wrote:
Woohoo, our ever expanding tastes now include another overlooked treasure. I still like to think of "Time & Tide" as an Art Rock classic due to its' subject matter & its' Pop Prog compositons, especially the final 3 songs (Haul Away, Log Cabin, Make Sense of It).
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Time and Tide is one of their very best albums. 
I think they're prog related, because indeed some of their stuff has prog tendencies, especially Mental Notes / Second Thoughts.
I think they should be added, because a lot of proggers like them and they do have a distinct relation to art rock in the early years, and they're still hinting at art rock for most of their career, because they'd always go for the odd tune, arrangements and indeed, the last triple songs of Time And Tide as well as Eddie Rayner's instrumental song Pioneer have a prog edge, even when they weren't making 'extended' songs anymore.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: March 15 2007 at 04:18 |
Cheesecakemouse wrote:
I think T&T does have some prog elements like the pioneer/Leaky Boat composition is pop prog especially with pioneers ambient beginning. |
I think we are waiting for your bio
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Cheesecakemouse
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Posted: March 14 2007 at 23:23 |
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I think T&T does have some prog elements like the pioneer/Leaky Boat composition is pop prog especially with pioneers ambient beginning.
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Posted: March 14 2007 at 22:37 |
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Woohoo, our ever expanding tastes now include another overlooked treasure. I still like to think of "Time & Tide" as an Art Rock classic due to its' subject matter & its' Pop Prog compositons, especially the final 3 songs (Haul Away, Log Cabin, Make Sense of It).
Mind you, do we have XTC in yet ?
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Atkingani
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Posted: March 14 2007 at 22:34 |
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Yes I'm pretty sure they've been cleared. |
Agreed, they received the green light more than half month ago... I think they'll be added soon. 
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Posted: March 14 2007 at 22:32 |
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Yes I'm pretty sure they've been cleared.
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Cheesecakemouse
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Posted: March 14 2007 at 22:26 |
I presume that these guys are voted in.
I guess the line is long for putting the bands up after the votes,on another thread I heard it was something like 700, so I suppose it'll be a while b4 they're up.
I found out another kiwi band that may be prog but I think I'll put it on hold until the list gets smaller.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: March 07 2007 at 07:14 |
Snow Dog wrote:
What I find interesting, is taht when I conducted an official poll last year, the idea of Split Enz being included was condemned by a good majority. |
Speaking only for myself here, but one year ago, I had voted for the SE albums I knew 5i thought that 1980's True Colours was their first album, and thought they were a new wave act and had voted accordingly, No.
But I dicovered that they had some five or six albums prior to that and that obviouisly these couldn't have been electro-pop new wave , so I searched and found most of their early albums and realized something most of us progheads not from Down Under didn't! Those albums were never realeased in the Northern Hemisphere (at least not widely) at the time. Another thing that intrigued me was that Prog Gnosis, GEPR and Prog Ears all listed SE as prog.
So I found the albums in some deserted library file/shelf and gave them a listen.
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Snow Dog
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Posted: March 07 2007 at 06:01 |
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What I find interesting, is taht when I conducted an official poll last year, the idea of Split Enz being included was condemned by a good majority.
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S Lang
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Posted: March 07 2007 at 05:01 |
Sean Trane wrote:
S Lang wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
S Lang wrote:
In this thread SE, Devo, etc. were brought under the same umbrella and Simple Minds, Morcheeba and countless others may yet to come?.My comments refer to rather forced inclusions suggested whilst undisputed Prog artists are resisted. Miles Davis, much of the ECM catalog, If, Stomu Yamashta, Back Door, etc. have been repeatedly put on the backburner, perpetually ignored.
In fairness to SE, they are capable artists, but generally identified with Pop.
From Oz, Kangaroo Moon, DIG, Jackie Orszacky, Tribal Trance, Dean Can Dance and no doubt many others would merit due attention before SE is classified as Prog. |
Stephen, Miles Davis will most likely appear in the Archives, it is matter of time. Ditto for If, Chicago, Stomu, Backdoor and Patto. A timely appearance. |
I'd be really surprised if they wouldn't - one day. So far, their names have been mentioned, debated, ignored only for a couple of years.and whilst prog-ish artists are deserving of encouragement, Prog heavyweights are not to pay the price? |
Paying the price for what? I wonder!!! I hardly think Miles and Chicago need the Archives to sell albums. They are the only voluntarily delayed to avoid controversy. If is the only victim because of its similarity to Chicago.
For the other three Backdoor, Patto and Stomu (which simply lack someone willing to tacle the inclusion itself) , if you write the bios, I can open the artist entry page (you will get credit for your text) and once that page is opened, you can fill in the albums. But I suggest you prepare everything before you start, because additions of bands and entering their discography are time consuming and lengthy. Remember that the entire discography must be entered (at least studio and live album at the very minimum)
Instead of complaining, I'm offering you a chance to participate to resorb the backlog.
Are you game?
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About a year ago Dick Heath provided an extensive discography and comments on Stomu Yamashta. It was largely ignored then. Who am I to expect more attention than Dick? He also supported interest in Back Door.
I don't recall SE being supported for inclusion with such authority, yet they are just about in. Funny that...
BTW, who, what is Patto? I never mentioned that name and am totally unfamiliar with he/she/them.
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akin
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Posted: February 23 2007 at 11:47 |
Ghost Rider wrote:
I agree with having them in PR, though I think my
other teammates agreed with adding them to Art Rock. And Talk Talk are
already in Art Rock, if my memory serves me well.
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Unfortunately, Raffaella, your memory is not serving you well. Talk
Talk are still in Prog Related. Maybe these are the effects of the
advanced age  .
Ok, I know I will be this way (  ) after you read my post.
I hope we not lose the good convivence as fellow members of the site  .
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Sean Trane
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Posted: February 23 2007 at 11:41 |
S Lang wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
S Lang wrote:
In this thread SE, Devo, etc. were brought under the same umbrella and Simple Minds, Morcheeba and countless others may yet to come?.My comments refer to rather forced inclusions suggested whilst undisputed Prog artists are resisted. Miles Davis, much of the ECM catalog, If, Stomu Yamashta, Back Door, etc. have been repeatedly put on the backburner, perpetually ignored.
In fairness to SE, they are capable artists, but generally identified with Pop.
From Oz, Kangaroo Moon, DIG, Jackie Orszacky, Tribal Trance, Dean Can Dance and no doubt many others would merit due attention before SE is classified as Prog. |
Stephen, Miles Davis will most likely appear in the Archives, it is matter of time. Ditto for If, Chicago, Stomu, Backdoor and Patto. A timely appearance. |
I'd be really surprised if they wouldn't - one day. So far, their names have been mentioned, debated, ignored only for a couple of years.and whilst prog-ish artists are deserving of encouragement, Prog heavyweights are not to pay the price? |
Paying the price for what? I wonder!!! I hardly think Miles and Chicago need the Archives to sell albums. They are the only voluntarily delayed to avoid controversy. If is the only victim because of its similarity to Chicago.
For the other three Backdoor, Patto and Stomu (which simply lack someone willing to tacle the inclusion itself) , if you write the bios, I can open the artist entry page (you will get credit for your text) and once that page is opened, you can fill in the albums. But I suggest you prepare everything before you start, because additions of bands and entering their discography are time consuming and lengthy. Remember that the entire discography must be entered (at least studio and live album at the very minimum)
Instead of complaining, I'm offering you a chance to participate to resorb the backlog.
Are you game?
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Posted: February 23 2007 at 11:34 |
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I agree with having them in PR, though I think my other teammates agreed with adding them to Art Rock. And Talk Talk are already in Art Rock, if my memory serves me well.
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akin
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Posted: February 23 2007 at 11:28 |
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I thought this was a case of prog-related. Some non-prog artist with
few prog material, no matter how good is this prog material.
With the same line of thought for Split Enz in Art Rock we could have
Journey, Chicago, Miles Davis, Stomu Yamashta in full prog categories.
Even Talk Talk, APP, etc could be promoted to a full prog genre.
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S Lang
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Posted: February 23 2007 at 04:49 |
Sean Trane wrote:
S Lang wrote:
In this thread SE, Devo, etc. were brought under the same umbrella and Simple Minds, Morcheeba and countless others may yet to come?.My comments refer to rather forced inclusions suggested whilst undisputed Prog artists are resisted. Miles Davis, much of the ECM catalog, If, Stomu Yamashta, Back Door, etc. have been repeatedly put on the backburner, perpetually ignored.
In fairness to SE, they are capable artists, but generally identified with Pop.
From Oz, Kangaroo Moon, DIG, Jackie Orszacky, Tribal Trance, Dean Can Dance and no doubt many others would merit due attention before SE is classified as Prog. |
Stephen, Miles Davis will most likely appear in the Archives, it is matter of time. Ditto for If, Chicago, Stomu, Backdoor and Patto. A timely appearance . |
I'd be really surprised if they wouldn't - one day. So far, their names have been mentioned, debated, ignored only for a couple of years.and whilst prog-ish artists are deserving of encouragement, Prog heavyweights are not to pay the price?
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Cheesecakemouse
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Posted: February 21 2007 at 22:59 |
micky wrote:
funny you say that... listening to them now.. to prepare for my vote.. |
well I hope your not listening to Conflicting emotions or Time and Tide  .
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Posted: February 21 2007 at 22:51 |
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funny you say that... listening to them now.. to prepare for my vote..
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Cheesecakemouse
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Posted: February 21 2007 at 22:35 |
Well just finished writing my bio of the band and have sent it in feel free to alter anything you feel may need to be. I sent it into band additions section. 
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Sean Trane
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Posted: February 20 2007 at 03:50 |
S Lang wrote:
In this thread SE, Devo, etc. were brought under the same umbrella and Simple Minds, Morcheeba and countless others may yet to come?.My comments refer to rather forced inclusions suggested whilst undisputed Prog artists are resisted. Miles Davis, much of the ECM catalog, If, Stomu Yamashta, Back Door, etc. have been repeatedly put on the backburner, perpetually ignored.
In fairness to SE, they are capable artists, but generally identified with Pop.
From Oz, Kangaroo Moon, DIG, Jackie Orszacky, Tribal Trance, Dean Can Dance and no doubt many others would merit due attention before SE is classified as Prog. |
Stephen, Miles Davis will most likely appear in the Archives, it is matter of time. Ditto for If, Chicago, Stomu, Backdoor and Patto. A timely appearance . Forcing a group into the Archives can only create ill-tempers as we have seen too many times and you are most plainly aware of.
No-one is suggesting that Ulravox and Devo in the Archives. We could also talk of Ultavox and Devo while talking of Genesis (Abacab to We Can't Dance era), but this would not affect the case of Genesis's inclusion, right?!? In the worst case, SE's new wave period is not any worse than Abacrapo or Illegal allien.
The fact is that SE's first four or five albums makes them worthy of inclusion.
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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