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Phil ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 17 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1881 |
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Thinking about keyboards, I don't agree that say the Mellotron or hammond make fake sounds - although originally they tried to imitate other sounds, they have a distinctive tone of their very own. But, I do find some synth sounds very artifical.
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Empathy ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 30 2005 Status: Offline Points: 1864 |
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To paraphrase two of my favorite quotes from Live at Pompeii regarding their increasing use of synthesizers:
Gilmour: "It's all extensions of what's coming out of our heads" Waters: "If you give a man a Les Paul guitar, he doesn't become Eric Clapton. If you give a man an amp and a synthesizer, he doesn't become whoever. He doesn't become us." |
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wolf0621 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: April 07 2006 Status: Offline Points: 264 |
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This answer addresses a very specific implementation of synth, one in which the material is auto-programmed. Nevertheless, someone had to create what the synth later plays back. There's still musical knowledge & skill involved, even if it's not happening in "real time". I can see the argument though in calling this "fake", as it detracts from the live situation & spontanaety of the music...
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goose ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 20 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 4097 |
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Does a synthesiser need a human being to operate it in real time? No! ![]() |
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Tenth Chaffinch ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: April 22 2006 Location: Singapore Status: Offline Points: 203 |
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Keyboards can add a world of depth to music. Listen to Camel's Docks/Beached combo on the Nude album and try to imagine it without the keyboards. Not pretty.
Saying keyboards are fake is like saying the guitar is fake.
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Time-Machinist ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 03 2006 Location: Museum Status: Offline Points: 182 |
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No, of course :)
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wolf0621 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: April 07 2006 Status: Offline Points: 264 |
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"Fake" defined as being "unreal"? So if I called playing guitar lines on a synth using a guitar sound patch "playing the guitar" that would be fake, while actually playing those same lines on an actual guitar would be real? In those terms, a synth used to mimic or replicate another instrument's sound is fake...That doesn't make the actual playing fake, the person operating the synth really is playing an instrument, just not the one that it sounds like he's playing... I take it that the connotation attached to the term "fake" in this thread is meant as derrogatory & I don't view it as such relative to synths. The talent involved is real, the technology used to project the sound is immaterial...
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sleeper ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 09 2005 Location: Entropia Status: Offline Points: 16449 |
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My thoughts exactly Akin.
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Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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DrWizard ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: March 18 2006 Status: Offline Points: 101 |
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Do you think an electric guitar makes "Fake Music"????????????????
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Jaydubz ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: April 12 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 100 |
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I've heard plenty of terrible music played by "real musicians" on real instruments, and plenty of profoundly beautiful and emotional music executed using computers and/or synthesizers. Zappa's '80s Synclavier pieces were done using the exact methodology you describe - entering data via a (computer) keyboard note-for-note. I've never been a big-fan of composing using a piano-roll editor; I've always strived to sequence by "playing" the data using some sort of controller (keyboard, windsynth or percussion pad) with a minimum of "post-work" to keep it a fluid as possible and avoiding a "stiff" feel. I've recently stumbled upon a "better mousetrap" for writing orchestral scores, though...software that allows you to compose as though you were sitting in front of a score, triggers super-high-quality samples of the London Symphony Orchestra recorded at Abbey Road, and sounds as fluid as if you'd played each part in with a controller. Electronic Musician named it one of their "Products of the Year" for 2005... Zappa would've LOVED this software!
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"Music is the best." ~ FZ
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46and2 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 01 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 203 |
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On Meshuggah's album catch 33, the drums are faked. The "drums" on the album are actually an advanced drum machine called the drumset from hell. Of course tomas haake is able to play the material, they played a little over ten minutes of that album when i saw them live.
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int_2375 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 20 2006 Status: Offline Points: 159 |
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What? Whats your big problem with this? If you don't like music made on a computer, don't listen to it. Simple. |
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Zoso ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: March 29 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 501 |
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The notion is absurd.
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Speakerfish ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: January 13 2006 Status: Offline Points: 83 |
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I had an arguement with a friend about this. He saw nothing wrong with writing music on his own, but synthesizing the instruments on a MIDI notation software. I had a big problem with this.
However, in what we are talking about, there is nothing wrong with synth instruments as long as there is some sort of humanity in playing them or arranging them. |
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Dissonance; subtle harmonic dissonance
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int_2375 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 20 2006 Status: Offline Points: 159 |
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I voted yes to be singled out.
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Jaydubz ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: April 12 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 100 |
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No...
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"Music is the best." ~ FZ
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MrHiccup ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 02 2005 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 167 |
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Fake sounds, maybe. Fake music, no!
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Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends...
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YYZed ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 03 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 282 |
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Does a keyboard need a human being to operate it in real time? Yes. It is a "real" instrument.
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cuncuna ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 29 2005 Location: Chile Status: Offline Points: 4318 |
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Every human activity is "fake"; meaning that, behind our actions, lies an previous elaboration. This exclude, off course, self preservation impulses. To manipulate sounds is "artificial", so, the tools to get there are not an important matter. Only... I always get a weird feeling out of listening to "piano" sound comming from a sinth... kind of freak me out a bit...
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Empathy ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 30 2005 Status: Offline Points: 1864 |
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No, it isn't. syn·the·size ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() v. syn·the·sized, syn·the·siz·ing, syn·the·siz·es v. tr.
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