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Winter Wine 
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Posted: February 03 2006 at 11:09 |
 erlenst wrote:
Ok, I am quite a bit confused here. I can somewhat understand that some people don't really like Yes (well, actually I can't but that's just me), but what is this rubbish that they are not an emotional band????
Seriously, the last 6 minutes of Gates of Delirium might be the 6 most intensely moving minutes in rock history. What about Close to the Edge, especially the orgasmic ending?? And let's not forget And You And I !! I get shivers down the spine every single time I listen to this beautiful masterpiece, which definately is not about virtuosity - it is a quite simple song actually.
Turn of the Century, Awaken, HEART OF THE SUNRISE ?!
Yes were THE emotional progrock band in their prime ! 
*dazed and confused*
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I could never have put it better myself, you are correct about everything there 
I was young when I heard 'And You And I' and I never felt like that before, amazing stuff
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Winter Wine
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Posted: February 03 2006 at 11:05 |
Bern wrote:
I think Yes are the best band technically speaking but I just think they lack in the emotion department. Their songs are just not emotionally intense IMO. 
But congratulations for their skills ! They sure can play
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If you don't think that 'Gates of Delerium' is emotionally intense, then I assume your made of wires and chips
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Posted: February 03 2006 at 10:58 |
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When you have listened to some really daring and experimental stuff (and have come to like it), you just can't believe Yes are the epitome of prog anymore. And certainly not "Close to the Edge"; I put "Relayer" way above "Close to the Edge". Mark that I don't say they are bad; "Close to the Edge" gets solid 4 stars from me and "Relayer" 5 even. But Yes did not keep up the level of "Relayer" all the time. And most of there albums are good 3 to 4 stars, in my book. Not what I expect from the absolute top band of prog. And again: I DO like Yes; I just don't think they are the epitome of prog. There are a lot of bands I put above them.
There used to be a time when I had the same feeling about Yes as the people who put them at the very top; but my taste has developed since then. Yes ARE an excellent band, but I don't have a fangirl attitude towards them.
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Posted: February 03 2006 at 10:35 |
Norbert wrote:
erlenst wrote:
Ok, I am quite a bit confused here. I can somewhat understand that some people don't really like Yes (well, actually I can't but that's just me), but what is this rubbish that they are not an emotional band????
Seriously, the last 6 minutes of Gates of Delirium might be the 6 most intensely moving minutes in rock history. What about Close to the Edge, especially the orgasmic ending?? And let's not forget And You And I !! I get shivers down the spine every single time I listen to this beautiful masterpiece, which definately is not about virtuosity - it is a quite simple song actually.
Turn of the Century, Awaken, HEART OF THE SUNRISE ?!
Yes were THE emotional progrock band in their prime !
*dazed and confused*
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I also don't understand this not-emotional thing and what is more memorable in other bands' material. But people are different and sometimes quite strange to me.
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same here, and what about the closing of "To be over", to me one of the most intense finales ever? and what about the second part of "And you and I"? people can shock me sometimes...
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Posted: February 03 2006 at 10:09 |
erlenst wrote:
Shark Sandwich wrote:
Peter wrote:
An appreciation for subtlety, beauty and grandeur, seems to be a taste one acquires with age and exposure, if ever....
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I agree. I don't think I could have liked Yes back in my teen years. I would have passed them off as 'soft sh*t'.Thankfully, I don't solely judge a band's music in that way anymore.
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I think I listened to Close to the Edge for the first time when I was 18. I thought it was OK, but not on the same level as Genesis and Camel at all. However, a couple of years later I gave it some good listens, and it has ended up as one of my top 3 albums of all time, if not THE BEST. (I will be 22 this march).
I don't necessary think it has so much to do with age, just time to get used to it. If you start being interested in prog in your early years, chances are you will appreciate subtlety, beauty and grandeur in your teens
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Point taken -- post edited!
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erlenst
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Posted: February 03 2006 at 09:59 |
Shark Sandwich wrote:
Peter wrote:
An appreciation for subtlety, beauty and grandeur, seems to be a taste one acquires with age and exposure, if ever....
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I agree. I don't think I could have liked Yes back in my teen years.
I would have passed them off as 'soft sh*t'.Thankfully, I don't solely
judge a band's music in that way anymore. |
I think I listened to Close to the Edge for the first time when I was
18. I thought it was OK, but not on the same level as Genesis and Camel
at all. However, a couple of years later I gave it some good listens,
and it has ended up as one of my top 3 albums of all time, if not THE
BEST. (I will be 22 this march).
I don't necessary think it has so much to do with age, just time to get
used to it. If you start being interested in prog in your early years,
chances are you will appreciate subtlety, beauty and grandeur in your
teens
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Posted: February 03 2006 at 09:41 |
Peter wrote:
An appreciation for subtlety, beauty and grandeur, seems to be a taste one acquires with age and exposure, if ever....
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I agree. I don't think I could have liked Yes back in my teen years. I would have passed them off as 'soft sh*t'.Thankfully, I don't solely judge a band's music in that way anymore.
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Posted: February 03 2006 at 09:30 |
Yes.
I tend to think that when anyone here says "boring" re a classic prog band, as above, I am reading the views of a younger, likely metal-favouring listener.
(But I was the same -- my transition from hard rock to prog did not happen overnight!)
An appreciation for subtlety, beauty and grandeur, seems to be a taste one acquires with age and/or exposure, if ever....
Not many explosions, car chases, gunplay, or much of a "body count" in Yes -- Grand Theft Auto,"  anyone? 
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O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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Posted: February 03 2006 at 09:09 |
I thought Yes were sort of boring before I heard Close To The Edge. Relayer sealed the deal for me. I haven't heard Fragile yet, except for 'Roundabout' but I plan to pick that up soon as well as Yessongs which I read is supposed to be a great live album.
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Posted: February 03 2006 at 07:17 |
erlenst wrote:
Ok, I am quite a bit confused here. I can somewhat understand that some people don't really like Yes (well, actually I can't but that's just me), but what is this rubbish that they are not an emotional band????
Seriously, the last 6 minutes of Gates of Delirium might be the 6 most intensely moving minutes in rock history. What about Close to the Edge, especially the orgasmic ending?? And let's not forget And You And I !! I get shivers down the spine every single time I listen to this beautiful masterpiece, which definately is not about virtuosity - it is a quite simple song actually.
Turn of the Century, Awaken, HEART OF THE SUNRISE ?!
Yes were THE emotional progrock band in their prime !
*dazed and confused*
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I also don't understand this not-emotional thing and what is more memorable in other bands' material. But people are different and sometimes quite strange to me.
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erlenst
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Posted: February 03 2006 at 07:08 |
Ok, I am quite a bit confused here. I can somewhat understand that some
people don't really like Yes (well, actually I can't but that's just
me), but what is this rubbish that they are not an emotional band????
Seriously, the last 6 minutes of Gates of Delirium might be the 6 most
intensely moving minutes in rock history. What about Close to the Edge,
especially the orgasmic ending?? And let's not forget And You And I !!
I get shivers down the spine every single time I listen to this
beautiful masterpiece, which definately is not about virtuosity - it is
a quite simple song actually.
Turn of the Century, Awaken, HEART OF THE SUNRISE ?!
Yes were THE emotional progrock band in their prime !
*dazed and confused*
Edited by erlenst
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Posted: February 03 2006 at 05:26 |
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Posted: February 03 2006 at 04:23 |
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Yes is second to none (but ignore 80's and stuff after that).
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Posted: February 03 2006 at 03:54 |
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Yes are a great band with some great music...but could have done a little better in the 80's and 90's...
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Posted: February 03 2006 at 03:50 |
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When it comes to virtuosity, Gong in their prime could give them a run for their money, with virtuosos like Pierre Moerlen, Didier Malherbe, Mike Howlett and Steve Hillage in the band. Not to mention Gong in their jazz-rock era.
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Posted: February 03 2006 at 03:36 |
Bern wrote:
I think Yes are the best band technically speaking but I
just think they lack in the emotion department. Their songs are just
not emotionally intense IMO.
But congratulations for their skills ! They sure can play
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Yea, they don't seem to really play so much on creating tension in
their music. Their music is almost like a cosmic journey through
different levels of virtuosity.
I'll give Yes credit for being a very influential and very original
band. I mean definetely, before their 80s pop excursions, they were a
force to be wreckoned with. Steve Howe with his flexible and soaring
guitar technique. Rick Wakemen with his obvious technical skill, his
ability to be "apart" of the music, and his funky organ solos. Chris
Squire with his original bass technique. Then Jon Anderson, the front
man who influenced this project to soar and challenge the pretenses of
rock music.
Though, I feel that most prog fans will eventually have to agree, that
other prog band's music material can be more memorable than
Yes'....namely Genesis 
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Posted: February 03 2006 at 02:55 |
YES -They are THE band for me.
VDGG are also very good btw.
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Posted: February 03 2006 at 00:17 |
Great is an understatement, they are better
Than Great.
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lunaticviolist
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Posted: February 02 2006 at 23:05 |
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Yes are great! I would recommend Tales From Topographic Oceans
because it's my favorite, but I'm afraid it might turn you off to
them. Check out Time and a Word, though. That's a very
underrated album! (I'm assuming you already have Close to the Edge and
Fragile?)
As for VDGG -- very good band. I recommend starting with H to He or Pawn Hearts.
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