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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

I like Direct for the scope it embraces but I think the impressive 'authentic' sound of earlier albums goes missing (no pun intended as he did the soundtrack for that film!) replaced by a feeling of 'fakery'.


Direct sounds like pure Vangelis to me. Shades of Albedo 0.39, Heaven and Hell, Opera Sauvage, and Blade Runner nets you Direct. Vangelis was implementing a new "direct" approach to simultaneous composition & recording that was to be the format for his output from that point forward.

But then he released The City, a majorly underrated, beautiful record that essentially fuses Soil Festivities and Blade Runner. I can't complain.
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Voting for the German school of electronic music as represented by Klaus Schulze
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Hopefully this offers some explanation re Beaubourg

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4 stars If you are being kind you would say this is seriously avante garde cutting edge music.If not you would say that Vangelis had a spare lunchtime when he was bored and so decided to knock this thing up to pass the time.An epic of noodling proportions that goes nowhere,starts nowhere and doesn't really go anywhere in the middle.Very strange but very alluring and atmospheric.You make your own mind up.2 stars.

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My opinion of this album has somewhat changed over the course of nearly ten years. Like other 'different' albums that Vangelis has recorded such as Invisible Connections and Mask, this does take time to appreciate. At the time I typed this review I was busy categorising Vangelis albums into what could be considered 'prog' and those which weren't. Indeed this does not conform to the usual Vangelis releases such as China or Spiral. He only uses one synthesiser and much of it is improvised and unstructured. However at least I put the words 'alluring and atmospheric' which is perfect! Much of it works and indeed ultimately you must make your own mind up. Don't expect the usual thing and keep an open mind ( ironic I know given my initial review).4 stars.



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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Weirdly I love Beauborg even though I generally don't like avant music. I even own it on vinyl. It comes in a gatefold and has some of the most stunning artwork I've ever seen. Invisible Connections is a bit weird but I think it was tailored for the then new compact disc technology. It's insanely quiet but has a charm. The only Vangelis album I don't really like is the one he did for an Oliver Stone film that had Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie in it. Never seen the film and only heard the music once and that was enough. (looked it up and it's called Alexander). It's not that it's bad but it just didn't have anything memorable on it. His last 2 albums Rosetta and Juno To Jupiter are very good though. Worth checking out.


Interesting. I had vaguely remembered your reviews of both albums, so perplexed by this post I had another look, and it appears you have revised your opinion on both, significantly? Whilst your review of Beaubourg has mysteriously risen from 2 to 4 stars, your 'revised' 3 star IC review reads thus:

"I very rarely give any albums 1 star but this deserves it. Vangelis likes to be enigmatic and this is about as enigmatic as you get. It's truly wierd avante garde stuff has nothing to do with music (to me) and one can only wonder why he bothered. Apparently the album was released in Japan under the name 'Meditation' which explains a bit. To fans of progressive rock I suggest you avoid this. And if you do buy it don't say I didn't warn you!!"


I'd suggest you revisit it and carry out some judicious editing! LOL

I could do this with a lot of albums in truth. I gave Direct 5 stars if memory serves me well ansd said it was his greatest album but nowadays it would be 3 stars. I change my mind and opinion on a lot of things. 

Anyhow here is some very nice Vangelis artwork from my vinyl collection
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Weirdly I love Beauborg even though I generally don't like avant music. I even own it on vinyl. It comes in a gatefold and has some of the most stunning artwork I've ever seen. Invisible Connections is a bit weird but I think it was tailored for the then new compact disc technology. It's insanely quiet but has a charm. The only Vangelis album I don't really like is the one he did for an Oliver Stone film that had Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie in it. Never seen the film and only heard the music once and that was enough. (looked it up and it's called Alexander). It's not that it's bad but it just didn't have anything memorable on it. His last 2 albums Rosetta and Juno To Jupiter are very good though. Worth checking out.


Interesting. I had vaguely remembered your reviews of both albums, so perplexed by this post I had another look, and it appears you have revised your opinion on both, significantly? Whilst your review of Beaubourg has mysteriously risen from 2 to 4 stars, your 'revised' 3 star IC review reads thus:

"I very rarely give any albums 1 star but this deserves it. Vangelis likes to be enigmatic and this is about as enigmatic as you get. It's truly wierd avante garde stuff has nothing to do with music (to me) and one can only wonder why he bothered. Apparently the album was released in Japan under the name 'Meditation' which explains a bit. To fans of progressive rock I suggest you avoid this. And if you do buy it don't say I didn't warn you!!"


I'd suggest you revisit it and carry out some judicious editing! LOL
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Weirdly I love Beauborg even though I generally don't like avant music. I even own it on vinyl. It comes in a gatefold and has some of the most stunning artwork I've ever seen. Invisible Connections is a bit weird but I think it was tailored for the then new compact disc technology. It's insanely quiet but has a charm. The only Vangelis album I don't really like is the one he did for an Oliver Stone film that had Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie in it. Never seen the film and only heard the music once and that was enough. (looked it up and it's called Alexander). It's not that it's bad but it just didn't have anything memorable on it. His last 2 albums Rosetta and Juno To Jupiter are very good though. Worth checking out.
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Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

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Jared, what exactly did you mean when you said some of those Vangelis albums are too intellectual for you? Are they too complex or too classical sounding or something?

Have you heard the two in question? I find Beaubourg a struggle to enjoy and IC completely impossible... it's the musical structure of both, which are quite avant-garde, atonal and lacking in a basic melodic line. With IC in particular, it's a challenge to understand how the individual notes are connected in some passages?

They are quite unlike any of his other works which, putting the two Soprano-orientated albums aside, are all very accessible??

No, I haven't heard them which is why I was asking. Wink Thanks.
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I like all of them but VANGELIS is the boss, here
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Jared, what exactly did you mean when you said some of those Vangelis albums are too intellectual for you? Are they too complex or too classical sounding or something?

Have you heard the two in question? I find Beaubourg a struggle to enjoy and IC completely impossible... it's the musical structure of both, which are quite avant-garde, atonal and lacking in a basic melodic line. With IC in particular, it's a challenge to understand how the individual notes are connected in some passages?

They are quite unlike any of his other works which, putting the two Soprano-orientated albums aside, are all very accessible??
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Jared, what exactly did you mean when you said some of those Vangelis albums are too intellectual for you? Are they too complex or too classical sounding or something?
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My Top 26 Prog Electronica Artists & Albums Not in the Poll. (one album per artist)

5 stars 2000: Ash Ra Tempel & Klaus Schulze - Friendship - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-UvObqiyVg
5 stars 1976: Ashra - New Age of Earth - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8plQdob4JP8
5 stars 1996: Christopher Franke - The Celestine Prophecy - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nwPnwikMV7D1Y0EaufLv3kBIgSqo7t9xM
5 stars 1980: Gandalf - Journey to an Imaginary Land - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpEZVvOdT-
5 stars 1991: Manuel Goettsching - Dream & Desire - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF7JDLIauKE
5 stars 1977: Michael Hoenig - Departure from the Northern Wasteland - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kAtdy1Td2TcYdQrFN0sDHfvusapJjio68
5 stars 1993: Paul Nagle - Wavemaker
5 stars 1992: Michael Shipway - Beneath Folly
5 stars 1983: Mark Shreeve - Assassin - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gPAXgTOXl0
5 stars 1981: Synergy (Larry Fast) - Audion - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-_iTC5E9nU
5 stars 1986: Tangerine Dream - Legend (soundtrack) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84jvSHmXsuA
5 stars 1991: Paul Ward - For a Knave
5 stars 1985: Stomu Yamashta - Sea and Sky - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZGktSXRyH0
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^^ I guess my idea of a perfect EM album would be a 20-23 minute piece on Side one and the same on Side 2... I'm less enamoured with 5 minute pieces in this style, but neither am I fussed about anything much longer, as it is difficult to maintain the structure, without aimless improvisations creeping in. For that reason, albums like Epsilon, Ricochet or Rubycon are perfect.... 
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OK: 
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Klaus Schulze... I'm going to have to give more close attention to; it's been too long since I've heard much, but I remember his early albums and like them..

Hi,

I wonder if the issue with Klaus Schulze for many folks, is the fact that so much of his work is very long, and in a place where the audience lives by the 5 minute song, I'm not sure that KS is going to get any more appreciation, other than folks that knew him from the earlier days, but even then, it was a full side of a LP, which was anywhere from 20/30 minutes long.

The stuff I like the most, though, is the stuff that would not be released regularly for at least 15 years, and when asking about it, his friend/manager (?), basically told me to fudge off. This was THE WORKS series, but one difference in that material ... most of it is just improvisation with various different folks and it goes on non-stop, which was ... even longer than the LP's. But there was in that stuff some incredibly beautiful things, that should have been released before ... but that friend/manager wanted that to be strictly a fan club thing, with an insane price.

I'm glad that eventually they gave in and released the stuff on many CD's ... you can finally hear it ... but the improvisation side of KS was so wide and open, that I'm not sure that MIRAGE/MOONDAWN folks were going to like it! But there are some far out things in there ... really far out. It was like a complete new catalog, and different, too!
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Jean-Michel:

If I could only pick one... Rendez-Vous

I also enjoy the usual, Eq, Ox 1-3, Magnetic, Chronology, Eq Infinity..

I partly enjoy Zoolook (I think it's bold and innovative, but not as many plays), Revolutions (main theme is great, but like Mike's Crises, I'm not bothered with too much of Side B), Cousteau (the waiting meanders too much for it's own good... maybe the truncated LP version would be an improvement?)

Vangelis:

If I could only pick one... Albedo 0.39

I also particularly enjoy: H&H, Spiral, China, Soil & Mask

L'Apocalypse, Opera Sauvage & Antarctica would be just below..

Beaubourg & Invisible are too intellectual for me...


Edgar:

If I could only pick one... Epsilon

I also enjoy all his other solo works, with Aqua runner up... Pinnacles slightly less so tbh, but it's fine.


Klaus Schulze... I'm going to have to give more close attention to; it's been too long since I've heard much, but I remember his early albums and like them..
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

I would vote Vangelis for these albums:
Heaven and Hell
China
Soil Festivities
Mask
Voices


Soil Festivities and Albedo 0.39 have gotten the most play from me. I'd add Spiral to the list, minus Voices, and swap China for Direct and there's my top five.

Vangelis' final album Juno to Jupiter is excellent, much better than its predecessor Rosetta.

I like Direct for the scope it embraces but I think the impressive 'authentic' sound of earlier albums goes missing (no pun intended as he did the soundtrack for that film!) replaced by a feeling of 'fakery'. Voices is so beautiful and delicate for me. Spiral is classic for sure but I might even prefer Beauborg when it comes right down to it.
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^ True, very much so.

Can't have too much Vangelis.
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I have to say, this is starting to resemble our Vangelis Appreciation thread!

Reading all the comments with interest...
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by Steve Wyzard Steve Wyzard wrote:

Vangelis by far!


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neat if people would list their favourite albums from each artist.

I haven't heard everything he's ever done by a long shot, but here's my favorites so far from each decade:

1970s: China
1980s: Chariots of Fire and Soil Festivities (too hard to choose between the two)
1990s: The City 


Thanks, I love China.

While I tend to favour the 70s material (Earth, The Dragon, L'apocalypse des animaux, Albedo 0.39 and Spiral especially), I really like Antarctica from the 80s. I'm not very familiar with music he created post-80s.

The first album of his I bought on CD was the compilation Themes (released in 1989). I was very into the kinds of music one would find in the New Age section back in 1989 and the early 90s. Listened to lots of Vangelis and especially Kitaro back then. During my time at PA, definitely Klaus Schulze has meant the most to me of these in the list and is one of my very favourite artists that I really got into over the past 20 years.

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Originally posted by Steve Wyzard Steve Wyzard wrote:

Vangelis by far!


It might be neat if people would list their favourite albums from each artist.

I haven't heard everything he's ever done by a long shot, but here's my favorites so far from each decade:

1970s: China
1980s: Chariots of Fire and Soil Festivities (too hard to choose between the two)
1990s: The City 
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Originally posted by mellotronwave mellotronwave wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

I would vote Vangelis for these albums:
Heaven and Hell
China
Soil Festivities
Mask
Voices


Soil Festivities and Albedo 0.39 have gotten the most play from me. I'd add Spiral to the list, minus Voices, and swap China for Direct and there's my top five.

Vangelis' final album Juno to Jupiter is excellent, much better than its predecessor Rosetta.


Don't neglect Earth his first solo Lp 1973 Vertigo under his full Name Vangelis O'Papathanassiou
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Earth isn't EM, the only reason it's not been mentioned. Another of my favorites is L'Apocalypse des Aminaux. In fact, I do like it more than Heaven and Hell, so consider my top five revised.
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