QM: Does Time exist?

^ The sunk cost fallacy is just one of many factors at work in cult followers. 

MikeEnRegalia wrote: siLLy puPPy wrote: There are many things in life that are real and yet we have no idea how they work. Acupuncture is one. Love is one. Why do i like Thai food? Is there a scientific equation for that? If not does that mean it's not real? - Placebo effect

I prophesy disaster wrote: siLLy puPPy wrote: When it comes to scalar energy i've researched enough to be convinced of its existence and personally know those who have cleverly tapped its bounty.   RationalWiki has an article on Scalar wave (Redirected from Scalar energy):   https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Scalar_wave   I like RationalWiki. They give you the facts as well as a laugh. They are not as formal as Wikipedia. However, RationalWiki categorises scalar waves as pseudoscience (which doesn't surprise me at all).

No surprise at all. Scalar waves have been scientifically proven, but they are not recognised by the official scientific community, which has actually been conservative for a long time, and that is why science is not progressing as it should.
According to Nikola Tesla himself, there are waves in nature whose quality is completely different from Hertzian (Hz), which we are all familiar with. They differ on several grounds, both qualitatively and quantitatively. The first difference is that teslion waves are not electromagnetic. Scalar waves have their own quantum carrier and are a dimensionally richer form of energy vibration. Second, in a wireless energy transmission system, which distinguishes these waves from ordinary EM (Hertzian) waves, the basic characteristic is that their intensity decreases with distance.
The waves used by Tesla in his energy transmission system, in contrast to the others mentioned, intensify with distance. This form of energy is self-existent; it is a spiralling non-Hertzian electromagnetic wave travelling through the vacuum at super-luminal speed, a billion times faster than light. Because of the spiral nature of the wave, it is called a torsion wave because it leaves a spiral wake. Torsion waves are called non-Hertzian because they do not obey the classical theory of Hertz and Maxwell.
Tom Bearden, Eng. of nuclear physics, along with Paul La Valette, founder of the Theory of Sub-Quantum Kinetic Theory, call these waves or forms of energy Tesla longitudinal scalar waves. According to this genius, these waves, which are different from Hertzian electro-magnetic ones, are not stopped or deflected by metal, leather, rubber, or any other material; they pass through all materials. These frequencies can have the same amplitude, which appears during regeneration, in some animals, such as, e.g., lizards. So also in humans, they enable rapid regeneration of the body, especially after physical injuries. Also, the application of these waves in distance treatment explains its effectiveness because their effect increases with distance.
More significant than the treatment itself is that these Tesla waves, during their use in energy therapies, initiate the development of all other human levels, both physical, mental, and emotional. They initiate the reconstruction of human DNA chains and bring them into harmony with the universe, which is of crucial importance in the period to come, as announced by many eminent scientists.
Unfortunately, not fully understood during his lifetime, the genius Tesla left behind, among other things, many devices with the function of treatment, which are still being researched by scientists all over the globe.

MikeEnRegalia wrote: Logan wrote: Often people who research and research and research just ending up going deeper and deeper down rabbitholes only paying "serious" attention to that which already confirms their biases. Years and years of research is not always helpful in getting to the truth (not all research has the same merit) and can lead to a bunch of other questionable beliefs, pseudo-scientific views and general crackpottery. The sunk cost fallacy also plays into this. People who have invested years of "research" (however meaningful it might have been) and possibly money (you can buy some really expensive Orgone "devices" on the internet) do not like the idea that it might all have been a waste of time - or even worse, that they've "been had". The typical angry responses and personal attacks one gets for pointing out basic facts to these people (like that their tenets contradict well-established scientific laws and therefore cannot be correct) are a strong indication of these biases having been at work for years.  Disclaimer: I fully acknowledge that I also have my biases.

Absolutely. The investment of time and money, pride, the echo chamber effect/ conformation bias, bias reinforcement, that idea of being special and holding esoteric knowledge that others just can't see or are too blinded to see are all major factors, and a sense of belonging to some exclusive club that know the truth for many.

I have been interested in cults, especially Heaven's Gate and when doubts arise that idea of having wasted so much of your life was strong factor in remaining. And the community. They were put into pairs as check partners to affirm that each was following the right path. Even the leader had doubts, but the "students' would want to reassure him that what they were doing was right. And no doubt his pride was important. I have heard from scientists who have said that it could be so hard to let go of a hypothesis after investing years on it when evidence/ data conflicts with it. People want to be right and self-correcting is often not easy nor is being corrected by others. So often people take offence when one questions their methodology -- take it as a personal attack rather than an opportunity for reassessment and growth or shift the goalpots when confronted as they get defensive. The truth (or what seems more reasonable) can be a very bitter pill to swallow. "You want the truth? You can't handle the truth."

siLLy puPPy wrote: When it comes to scalar energy i've researched enough to be convinced of its existence and personally know those who have cleverly tapped its bounty.

Edited by I prophesy disaster - 7 hours 52 minutes ago at 07:53

Atavachron wrote: siLLy puPPy wrote: ^ You can post all those trash you want from the internet but that doesn't take away personal experience (i have plenty of it). Have you never been to a Traditional Chinese medicine doctor? Have you never received acupuncture? I have and it did indeed work, which is another way of saying I felt better the next day and have no real proof it was the acupuncture.   This specialist also applied glass suction bowls to my back.    Was it the bowls?   Was it the needles?   Was it the herbs he gave me which I took for several weeks that were unrelated to my having the flu?   Was it his advice that I never eat anything raw or uncooked which is questionable considering raw fruits & vegetables are an important part of a person's diet?   Or maybe his insistence I not eat sweets only for me to notice a quart of ice cream in his freezer?   Hard to say. SillyPuppy wrote: Unless you have researched this for at least a decade, you're not even remotely qualified to have a discussion really. No offense. Yeah I don't know... here on the forums we all discuss/debate things we haven't necessarily (or at all) researched for a decade.   I've been looking into UFOs for about 45 years and am only reasonably informed.   On the other hand I've been thoroughly researching the JFK assassination for about 25 years and consider myself a foremost expert in the field, far more knowledgeable than most "experts" whose books I've read, films I've seen, or see & hear on social media.   Most of them are under-qualified buffoons who make so many errors and bad calls it is painfully embarrassing to someone with even ten years of solid research. Which is to say it seems that proper, serious, extended and relentless work of re-reading, re-watching, re-thinking, and over-researching even after you've come to an 'ultimate conclusion' rather than chronologic time is what matters the most.

Logan wrote: Often people who research and research and research just ending up going deeper and deeper down rabbitholes only paying "serious" attention to that which already confirms their biases. Years and years of research is not always helpful in getting to the truth (not all research has the same merit) and can lead to a bunch of other questionable beliefs, pseudo-scientific views and general crackpottery.

Atavachron wrote: ^ Which is why it's so important to keep investigating not just new information but especially what you already have looked at.   Over and over and over and over and over and over again.   Further, in that time one's perspective, opinions, and character change.   It may not necessarily make you more informed, but it certainly makes you more intelligent and more exposed. Reevaluation is one of the most under-recognized avenues and underutilized tools.   Maybe the most, and that only becomes clear once you star doing it.   It is annoying and painful, but those who have not taken it upon themselves to do so are the ones who I trust the least and whose opinions I value the least.

Definitely a lot to be said for self-reflection and personal growth.   I wish I had a "thick skin" but in reality I'm a mercurial if highly liberal person.   Easy going and compassionate, yes.   Kind and willing to work within rules, not so much.

I'd volunteer for admin if I thought I would not at any moment kick someone squarely in the gonads for being stupid.   Not necessarily a great approach.